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Hey APUG,

I can't tell if this is a totally useless rant, or somewhat relatable rant. I thought I'd share some thoughts from a first time V System shooter.

Due to the cyber monday specials that KEH was running, my untreated G.A.S. practically forced me to buy a Hasselblad 500CM for reasons I do not need to explain on this forum, as I'm sure you will understand. This fall I realized that in ten years of shooting film, I had somehow avoided square format. Reading APUG a lot, I noticed that a lot of you are shooting Mamiya 6 and Hassy gear, what am I missing out on?

So I picked up a 500CM body, A12 back, and 80mm 2.8 - ALL of which were in BGN condition. This turned out to be a great choice, as their standards are impeccable. If I were listing this kit on eBay I would say excellent condition, there is just a bit of scuffing in parts, and perhaps the back feels (almost) unnoticeably loose due to a microscopic difference in the body's two back hinges. All said, this thing is amazing, and I could not believe the construction quality. I had never even held a Hasselblad, only read the manual and admired from a distance. It was everything I imagined and more. The body included an Acu-matte* - though I'm not sure if that is the best match for me, it seems agreeable. I picked up an original strap on the bay for $25.

Initial impressions were somewhat rocky. Despite the fact that firing the shutter was the most satisfying I've ever felt, once I actually got film loaded up, I found the focusing and handling a bit awkward. I was especially uncomfortable with the fact that you have to release the shutter for the blinds to close. What is the function of the camera requiring your permission to complete the sequence? I guess the only other option would be it syncs with the shutter, maybe that is unrealistic. It sort of revealed a weird habit of mine where I depress the cable release and just kind of hold it depressed as I take in the photograph as it lives in front of me. Shooting with the Hassy, I have to be conscious of how long I've depressed the shutter or cable release, kind of funny but it just goes to show that we really get comfortable with our little processes.

My other issue, on the first roll, was focusing. Through the lens, in some settings, it seemed like everything was in focus. I had trouble making a distinction between sharp and totally soft. I have since found that on a tripod, with the magnifying, this is fine, but the magnifier's position has lead me to center my portraits, leaving a lot of overhead space, but I think a lot of square portraits I've seen end up like that, maybe for the same reason. I think a prism finder is in my future, but I want to be able to hand hold this shooter, that is kind of the point.

I basically hopped from 35mm to 645, to 6x7, and so on. In that sense, my initially feeling was that of a downgrade. I could never give up my larger negatives, my primary shooter is the GW690 these days. At the same time, it feels like a long postponed discovery, the zeiss lens is remarkable. On a few of these shots, when I get everything right, its amazing what potential lies in the glass. I have to keep at it, and improve my handling of this thing. I've included a couple shots from the first few rolls, like I said, I'm shooting number 5 this week, and I've just now seen the first black and white roll which was stunning (for the one or two decent shots.)

The thing about film I love most is the mystery. Its amazing that you can get so comfortable with one camera, then try a new one where all the components are known, the setting options are the same, same era of design, and yet the results are unpredictable. You know what Ektar will give you on a sunny day, but it has a magic look to it through the lens of a foreign rig. I gotta say, I feel lucky to have the chance to play with this camera, I don't think I'll give it up.

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Welcome to the world of Hasselblad!

Don't worry about the very slight looseness or play between the back and the body. I think a little bit is normal, as that's the way it is on my Hassy's -- as long as your negatives are sharp and there are no light leaks.

As for holding down the shutter release: the camera body has no knowledge of the shutter speed you've set and therefore doesn't know when to close the rear baffles. So, if you're shooting at 1 second, 1/4 second, whatever, you need to hold the release in until the exposure is complete.

Have fun!
 

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I enjoy the manual nature of the 500cm. Even the non auto return mirror. If offsets the Rolleiflex 6003src1000 perfectly.
 
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Welcome to the world of Hasselblad!

Don't worry about the very slight looseness or play between the back and the body. I think a little bit is normal, as that's the way it is on my Hassy's -- as long as your negatives are sharp and there are no light leaks.

As for holding down the shutter release: the camera body has no knowledge of the shutter speed you've set and therefore doesn't know when to close the rear baffles. So, if you're shooting at 1 second, 1/4 second, whatever, you need to hold the release in until the exposure is complete.

Have fun!

Right - that makes sense, no electronic contacts, etc. I guess I just have to get used to the rhythm of it, as Frank said - I drool over the battery-less aspect of this camera. Just like my GW690, I will always favor purely manual cameras.
 

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Welcome to the world of Hasselblad!

Don't worry about the very slight looseness or play between the back and the body. I think a little bit is normal, as that's the way it is on my Hassy's -- as long as your negatives are sharp and there are no light leaks.

The two hooks on the bottom may need to be pressed in tighter. Not a big deal, so you may want to wait on doing anything about that.

As for holding down the shutter release: the camera body has no knowledge of the shutter speed you've set and therefore doesn't know when to close the rear baffles. So, if you're shooting at 1 second, 1/4 second, whatever, you need to hold the release in until the exposure is complete.

What he said about 1/4 second is right on.

Enjoy the system. Great photographs.
 

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Don't know what to say, I'm probably around my 40,000th roll. Everytime I pick up another MF camera, I just think how right VH got it the first time, and how wrong the others got it. Even my SWC/M which I never thought I'd use much, became my most used commercial camera. It's still my to go vacation camera when I want something light and wide. At last count in addition to the Superwide, I think I have 8 500 C/M and one 503, but who's counting..........L
 
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Yeah let me be more clear, the observation about the shutter release was just to illustrate a point about how weird it can be to retrain your muscle memory. NOT a complaint by any means. I can see that this is the most well designed system out there, it's a piece of art!
 

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Don't know what to say, I'm probably around my 40,000th roll. Everytime I pick up another MF camera, I just think how right VH got it the first time, and how wrong the others got it. Even my SWC/M which I never thought I'd use much, became my most used commercial camera. It's still my to go vacation camera when I want something light and wide. At last count in addition to the Superwide, I think I have 8 500 C/M and one 503, but who's counting..........L
So, you've shot 20 rolls a week for 40 years, or 40 rolls a week for 20 years??? I am deeply impressed.

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LMN, I'm in my 2nd yr of my 3rd dive into photography. 'Starting my 2nd yr in MF, but until I got back to processing my own BW, I couldn't afford to shoot MF much the first year. My first 3 mo. w/ the blad were rocky & upsetting - not knowing they needed service. Focusing was the issue. One screen had a split image. Dopey me - I didn't know that the clarity in both halves of the spit are always in sharp focus. I was so frustrated, I sprang for $380 for a Bill Maxwell screen. After service, they're a pleasure - even before the Maxwell screen arrived. Its a slow shooting process for me, being my first all manual camera. I like it, and also dislike it. For me, the speed will come. Their quirkiness? Yeah, but that's true w/ most manual MFs. I'm pretty much thinking that If I don't like the results w/ the blad, the issue is entirely mine. You have the advantage of more experience w/ the manual camera. I suspect the blad will be a marriage. I may have an affair or two w/ other MFs, but I do have an awful lot to like w/ the blad.
 

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Yes I found it a bit silly to have to keep pressing the shutter button for slow speeds but then again I didn't find it that annoying as I hardly ever shot less than 1/60 with that camera. Which is my main beef with it that I could never really get sharp handheld results at speeds lower than 1/60. Anyway...for the focusing I have had the newest Acute Matte D screen on mine and compared to the old screens I found it night and day. It is one of the best screens I've ever seen, so if you do want to keep using the camera you may want to try and find one of these (not cheap though). Alternatively you can get a screen from Bill Maxwell which should be just as snappy and bright.

Regarding the play in the back, I had 3 bodies in total (2x501CM and a 500ELX), two were rock solid, one had quite a bit of play but there was never any issue. Finally, I shot my 'blads probably 90% of the time handheld with a PM90 prism. The handling is a bit awkward but the focus keeper rate was near 100% and one the ones that were out of focus I knew it was wrong the moment I tripped the shutter. So I'd highly recommend a prism, it does make night and day in focusing and lets you take portraits of people without looking up their nose! :D It is not actually that heavy either.

Overall it is a very nice camera so give it a chance. I spent 5+ years with mine before I eventually let it go...
 

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Don't know what to say, I'm probably around my 40,000th roll. Everytime I pick up another MF camera, I just think how right VH got it the first time, and how wrong the others got it. Even my SWC/M which I never thought I'd use much, became my most used commercial camera. It's still my to go vacation camera when I want something light and wide. At last count in addition to the Superwide, I think I have 8 500 C/M and one 503, but who's counting..........L


I disagree.

While VH got it mostly right, there are still some shortcomings to the Hassy system. However, its like owning a luxury car that has only one cup holder in the back seat, or leather seats, but a less-than-premium sound system. They Hassy, and the luxury car, are fun to own and easy to drive, but there are still a few things that could be improved.

There were three major issues with the Hassy system for me - the price of the name and gear, the very hard to see focusing screen, and the awkward and tight focusing.

But thats the beauty of this hobby, there's a photographer for ever tool, and a tool for every photographer.
 

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Soon, holding down the shutter release will become second nature and you'll do it with your other cameras too.:wink:
 

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Soon, holding down the shutter release will become second nature and you'll do it with your other cameras too.:wink:

Thats true. Thats very very true.
 

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Hey APUG,

I can't tell if this is a totally useless rant, or somewhat relatable rant. I thought I'd share some thoughts from a first time V System shooter.

Due to the cyber monday specials that KEH was running, my untreated G.A.S. practically forced me to buy a Hasselblad 500CM for reasons I do not need to explain on this forum, as I'm sure you will understand. This fall I realized that in ten years of shooting film, I had somehow avoided square format. Reading APUG a lot, I noticed that a lot of you are shooting Mamiya 6 and Hassy gear, what am I missing out on?

So I picked up a 500CM body, A12 back, and 80mm 2.8 - ALL of which were in BGN condition. This turned out to be a great choice, as their standards are impeccable. If I were listing this kit on eBay I would say excellent condition, there is just a bit of scuffing in parts, and perhaps the back feels (almost) unnoticeably loose due to a microscopic difference in the body's two back hinges. All said, this thing is amazing, and I could not believe the construction quality. I had never even held a Hasselblad, only read the manual and admired from a distance. It was everything I imagined and more. The body included an Acu-matte* - though I'm not sure if that is the best match for me, it seems agreeable. I picked up an original strap on the bay for $25.

Initial impressions were somewhat rocky. Despite the fact that firing the shutter was the most satisfying I've ever felt, once I actually got film loaded up, I found the focusing and handling a bit awkward. I was especially uncomfortable with the fact that you have to release the shutter for the blinds to close. What is the function of the camera requiring your permission to complete the sequence? I guess the only other option would be it syncs with the shutter, maybe that is unrealistic. It sort of revealed a weird habit of mine where I depress the cable release and just kind of hold it depressed as I take in the photograph as it lives in front of me. Shooting with the Hassy, I have to be conscious of how long I've depressed the shutter or cable release, kind of funny but it just goes to show that we really get comfortable with our little processes.

My other issue, on the first roll, was focusing. Through the lens, in some settings, it seemed like everything was in focus. I had trouble making a distinction between sharp and totally soft. I have since found that on a tripod, with the magnifying, this is fine, but the magnifier's position has lead me to center my portraits, leaving a lot of overhead space, but I think a lot of square portraits I've seen end up like that, maybe for the same reason. I think a prism finder is in my future, but I want to be able to hand hold this shooter, that is kind of the point.

I basically hopped from 35mm to 645, to 6x7, and so on. In that sense, my initially feeling was that of a downgrade. I could never give up my larger negatives, my primary shooter is the GW690 these days. At the same time, it feels like a long postponed discovery, the zeiss lens is remarkable. On a few of these shots, when I get everything right, its amazing what potential lies in the glass. I have to keep at it, and improve my handling of this thing. I've included a couple shots from the first few rolls, like I said, I'm shooting number 5 this week, and I've just now seen the first black and white roll which was stunning (for the one or two decent shots.)

The thing about film I love most is the mystery. Its amazing that you can get so comfortable with one camera, then try a new one where all the components are known, the setting options are the same, same era of design, and yet the results are unpredictable. You know what Ektar will give you on a sunny day, but it has a magic look to it through the lens of a foreign rig. I gotta say, I feel lucky to have the chance to play with this camera, I don't think I'll give it up.

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Welcome to the upper league where it is allowed to be in love with your equipment.I bought my Hasselblads new in the mid 1990s and all 3 have a tiny bit of tolerance between the body and the back;never caused an issue.Focusing takes some experience but will get easier with time.a prism finder helps but isn't necessay. all the Zeiss lenses for the Hasselblad are excellent.I usually hold the shutter pressed until I hear no more sound from the camera;also something you'll get used too
 
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Soon, holding down the shutter release will become second nature and you'll do it with your other cameras too.:wink:
:smile: Just like when I think I've forgotten to remove a dark slide from my GW690 for a split second.
 

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LNMOP, Not sure if this applies to all the Zeiss lenses for Hassey, but it does for all the CF lenses that I own... If you look at the shutter speed dial, you will see an orange line above the longer shutter speeds. Technically, these are the only speeds where you need to hold the shutter release in until the the lens shutter completes its cycle. That said, however, like Ralph L I just keep the shutter release pressed until no more sound from the camera; then release to close the rear curtains.

Have fun! After a bit of experience with the V system, I'll bet you'll be using it plenty! :smile:

Kind regards,
Alan
 
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LNMOP, Not sure if this applies to all the Zeiss lenses for Hassey, but it does for all the CF lenses that I own... If you look at the shutter speed dial, you will see an orange line above the longer shutter speeds. Technically, these are the only speeds where you need to hold the shutter release in until the the lens shutter completes its cycle. That said, however, like Ralph L I just keep the shutter release pressed until no more sound from the camera; then release to close the rear curtains.

Have fun! After a bit of experience with the V system, I'll bet you'll be using it plenty! :smile:

Kind regards,
Alan

I'll take a look at the lens. I can't wait to acquire a 150mm for this thing!
 
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Yes I found it a bit silly to have to keep pressing the shutter button for slow speeds but then again I didn't find it that annoying as I hardly ever shot less than 1/60 with that camera. Which is my main beef with it that I could never really get sharp handheld results at speeds lower than 1/60. Anyway...for the focusing I have had the newest Acute Matte D screen on mine and compared to the old screens I found it night and day. It is one of the best screens I've ever seen, so if you do want to keep using the camera you may want to try and find one of these (not cheap though). Alternatively you can get a screen from Bill Maxwell which should be just as snappy and bright.

Regarding the play in the back, I had 3 bodies in total (2x501CM and a 500ELX), two were rock solid, one had quite a bit of play but there was never any issue. Finally, I shot my 'blads probably 90% of the time handheld with a PM90 prism. The handling is a bit awkward but the focus keeper rate was near 100% and one the ones that were out of focus I knew it was wrong the moment I tripped the shutter. So I'd highly recommend a prism, it does make night and day in focusing and lets you take portraits of people without looking up their nose! :D It is not actually that heavy either.

Overall it is a very nice camera so give it a chance. I spent 5+ years with mine before I eventually let it go...

A friend of mine has an old beat up prism he might sell me for cheap, I hope that works out. I think the magnification will help a lot, and I want this camera to encourage me to do more portraits, as it already has.
 

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Hey LMNOP,

Just noticed your location. I lived in East Montpelier for 18 years. What a beautiful state! Though I've been gone since 2000, I still miss it to this day.

Kind regards,
Alan
 

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You could of course use the mirror prerelease. That's the black plastic rectangle below and just a bit left of the wind knob.
Push it upwards.
 

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Using the pre-release doesn't really change anything for when you can release the shutter button. Either way, the rear doors close as soon as you release pressure on the shutter button.
 

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After over 20 years using Hasselblads, I finally got a prism for one of them. Like night and day! The view through the prism is so large and so easy to focus, I was astounded.

With the waist-level, I'm always switching between the magnifier and the plain groundglass, taking my glasses on and off. A bit of a nuisance, but I tolerated it because for MF I shoot landscape off a tripod. The prism really works for me.
 

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Now you understand why I bought the PME when I bought the camera and I have never used the WLF. In the 1970's I convinced my father to get the Porroprism for his C3. Once he tried the prism in the store he never used the WLF again. He was real happy with the brighter and clearer view without the right-left [or left-right] view flip.
 

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Try a cable release you might find it easier especially if the camera is on a tripod also there is a quick focusing handle that will fit your 80mm lens. There are interchangeable correction eyepieces that will fit the prism finder. Years ago when I first got mine I sent a copy of my reading glasses Rx and purchased the appropriate one so I can focus without my glasses.

http://www.jeffreyglasser.com/
 

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In the 1970's I convinced my father to get the Porroprism for his C3. Once he tried the prism in the store he never used the WLF again. He was real happy with the brighter and clearer view without the right-left [or left-right] view flip.

Before I bought my 3.5F, I tried a Rolleiflex with a prism and it was an odd experience - it didn't feel comfortable. So, for the TLR, I still use waist level viewing.
 
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