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And it could very well not have had the capacity to process 1000 foot runs.
35mm Ektachrome 100 bulk availability
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i emailed kodak motion picture about "KODAK EKTACHROME 100D Color Reversal Film 5294 35mm" being available and is there any special handling required. they did say that it is e-6 chems. but they did point out that they know of no lab that can process cine-length film stock in 35mm e-6 for the public. he did mention that the "HBO production “Euphoria”, are cross-processing the film in ECN-2 chemistry and the resultant is a camera negative with a different look than the normal VISION3 ECN film look".
I just posted this as an FYI. I might buy a 400 foot roll and give it a try in 35mm as its an almost 1/3 the price ( $20 for a roll of e100 vs $7.25 (520/4 then 18 rolls per 100 ft)) to buying it in 35mm rolled canisters. its $520 US for 400 foot rolls and $1300 for 1000 ft rolls. looks like a bulk rolling marathon is coming up!
I would though like to hear more and see some examples of how the chems are changed and does it really not do any damage to say rolls of velvia or provia. I assume not but would have to have to have 2 separate lots of e-6 chems going.
john
I just posted this as an FYI. I might buy a 400 foot roll and give it a try in 35mm as its an almost 1/3 the price ( $20 for a roll of e100 vs $7.25 (520/4 then 18 rolls per 100 ft)) to buying it in 35mm rolled canisters. its $520 US for 400 foot rolls and $1300 for 1000 ft rolls. looks like a bulk rolling marathon is coming up!
I would though like to hear more and see some examples of how the chems are changed and does it really not do any damage to say rolls of velvia or provia. I assume not but would have to have to have 2 separate lots of e-6 chems going.
john
MattKing
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It isn't the chemicals that are changed - other than possibly the quantity packaging. It is the film length that needs to be accommodated. Most remaining E6 lab machines outside of the commercial movie world aren't set up to process a reel of film that is 400 or 1000 feet long.
But nobody outside the cine world would expose a 400' or 1000' foot roll.
I do not get your point at all.
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The point is:
1) for years, there was no E6 movie film. In particular, no 35mm E6 movie film, in 400 and 1000 foot lengths;
2) as a result, the number of labs who could process 35mm E6 movie film dwindled;
3) when they re-introduced Ektachrome, there weren't many labs around who could process E6 movie film, and even fewer that could process 400 foot and 1000 foot lengths, and even fewer that could process those lengths of 35mm E6 movie film;
So in order for it to be viable to sell the 400 foot and 1000 foot 35mm E6 movie film, the processing labs had to be available. Some existing labs were probably ready, other labs were probably able to simply take the 35mm specific parts out of storage, some labs may have re-activated mothballed machines. All of that needed to be at least close to ready before it made sense to add the new SKU numbers to the catalogue.
1) for years, there was no E6 movie film. In particular, no 35mm E6 movie film, in 400 and 1000 foot lengths;
2) as a result, the number of labs who could process 35mm E6 movie film dwindled;
3) when they re-introduced Ektachrome, there weren't many labs around who could process E6 movie film, and even fewer that could process 400 foot and 1000 foot lengths, and even fewer that could process those lengths of 35mm E6 movie film;
So in order for it to be viable to sell the 400 foot and 1000 foot 35mm E6 movie film, the processing labs had to be available. Some existing labs were probably ready, other labs were probably able to simply take the 35mm specific parts out of storage, some labs may have re-activated mothballed machines. All of that needed to be at least close to ready before it made sense to add the new SKU numbers to the catalogue.
This is very interesting! So the Euphoria production used Ektachrome but not E6. No remjet on 35mm stocks. The pink dye is in Ektar as well, it's persistent. I wash until there's no trace of pink in my rinse water.
This is interesting, thanks for posting.
Yes, very interesting- bulk rolled 35mm 36 exposure Ektachrome for about $7 a throw. I wish I wanted slides! When reversal printing went bye bye I didn’t have much of a reason to shoot chromes. That K40 made some gorgeous Ciba prints.
e-6 at least in 16mm never really want completely away.- some movie labs did run a "frakenprocess" on machine that were originally installed for Video News Film. (VNF and a couple of related processes.) a few places were converting fuji slide film for Motion picture use.
Larger still labs often splice orders into larger rolls and run on continuous machines. so many machines are capable of either 16mm or 35mm.
many movie labs were already set up to run 35mm reversal colour example https://niagaracustomlab.com/?page_id=1491
if using the 5294 for stills the only real difference is that it will have BH perforations,Just like say 5222 (Double X) but those should be hidden in the slide mount.
Larger still labs often splice orders into larger rolls and run on continuous machines. so many machines are capable of either 16mm or 35mm.
many movie labs were already set up to run 35mm reversal colour example https://niagaracustomlab.com/?page_id=1491
if using the 5294 for stills the only real difference is that it will have BH perforations,Just like say 5222 (Double X) but those should be hidden in the slide mount.
MattKing
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It might help if you talk to them ahead of time and show them the 400 foot roll you purchased.
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The big question is if it does anything standard E100 doesn’t?
You could probably convince them by pulling out ten centimeters of leader from the can and put it in warm water in front of them.
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Well, the data sheet does, in reference to the special sensitizing and filter dyes referred to, state:
"Because these dyes are designed to rinse out of the film during processing, they will change the color of the first developer, the reversal bath, the final wash, and the final rinse. This solution discoloration is only cosmetic. It will not affect sensitometry or the quality of any Process E-6 film or control material. However, the solutions will cause splicing tape and processing equipment (rollers, racks, etc.) to have a pinkish color.
The pink dye residue can easily be washed off processing equipment by following the normal maintenance procedures."
Emphasis added by me.
Ok, so it’s home dev.
Guess that’s another one to take down the fragile infrastructure of film.
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More likely it means that the labs catering to still film will have to get familiar enough with it in order to expect the non-deleterious but still visible after-effect.
Can anybody recommend a safe and reliable way to split a 400' or 1000' roll into 100' rolls?
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Film winders and extra 100' spools. That is how I do it. It is really quick that way but you have to find the winders and the spools. You can use 16mm winders if you can't find/afford 35mm ones.
“Film winders” are usually referred to as “rewinds.” If I were doing this I would get a couple of 35mm “split reels” and some 35mm film cores. Set yourself up in a darkroom and you are all set. All of this gear is hopelessly obsolete in the motion picture world and should be available at very low cost.
Every E-6 film I've developed at home (be it Fuji or Kodak) coloured the first and colour developer heavily and reversal and washing baths slightly. Also final rinse/stabiliser would gradually turn pink unless you emptied the sea washing the film before putting it into stabiliser.
I'd guess 100D is nothing special in that regard and it would be very very odd if Kodak suddenly made a E-6 film that would pose a problem for existing E-6 processing infrastructure.
The 'staining' of reversal bath, pre-bleach and final rinse is of NO consequence when processing E100D ( 7294 ).
It's purely a by-product and changes nothing photographically.
John S
It's purely a by-product and changes nothing photographically.
John S
If it’s unusual compared with normal E6, I highly doubt they will take it, no matter the assurances. And I completely understand. Changing a chemical bath prematurely will cut into their already slim margins.The 'staining' of reversal bath, pre-bleach and final rinse is of NO consequence when processing E100D ( 7294 ).
It's purely a by-product and changes nothing photographically.
John S
Will investigate though, shooting E100 at a third of the price sure it tempting.
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The dye release into all processing baths and onto processing equipment described in the new datasheet of the 35 and 16mm cine versions, but not in the older datasheet of the still version.
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