2014 ULF and Custom Film Manufacture From ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited :

[rdihughes]

...although a different logic seems to apply to 35mm film.

Best wishes,

Richard Hughes

 

[Ken Nadvornick]

Some film manufacturers have huge problems with a lack of credibility. Others have huge reservoirs credibility built from histories of dealing honestly with their customer bases.

Harman Technology Ltd. resides in the latter group. If they say they can't or won't do something, one can trust that it's because there are very good reasons not to do it.

Ken

 

[cmacd123]

Some film manufacturers have huge problems with a lack of credibility. Others have huge reservoirs credibility built from histories of dealing honestly with their customer bases.

Harman Technology Ltd. resides in the latter group.

the Whole Idea of the ULF runs each year to to provide Harmon's customers with stock in sizes needed to use various no longer supported cameras. thus the long list of obscure sheet sizes, both American and European. Thay have also been Kind enough to try and make some obscure roll sizes, that otherwise whould be difficult or imposible to emulate.

While I am sure that Simon would love if he could throw the tarp off the 220 film machine and offer 20 roll pro-packs of 220 as part of the ULF run, it is clear from earlier posts that the old machine would take a lot of reworking to get up and running, it was probably an early computer controled machine and we all know how quickly computer stuff gets out of date. No doubt it would require rebuilding hardware and software from the ground up to get it into production. They have run the numbers and the business case is NOT there. Just look at the edge printing on current Ilford 120 vs the Ilford 120 from 20 years ago to see that the current machine is a totally different animal.

220 equipment can probably be modified for 120, in most cases by twisting the settings.

 

[TheToadMen]

Silverprint in Great Britain posted its ULF-2014 order list today:
http://www.silverprint.co.uk/ProductByGroup.asp?PrGrp=2249

From their June Newsletter:
"Once a year Ilford Photo offer photographers the chance to order large and specialist sizes of film. Orders must be in by Friday 27th June. Full list of products available"

Other (international) dealers can be found here: http://www.ilfordphoto.com/products/download.asp?n=2111&file=ULF%202014%20Items_Dealers_iss7.pdf
Bert from Holland

 

[Ben Altman]

Does anyone know what happened to 122 format roll film this year? It's not on the Ilford list but various people seem to want it, me included... I thought after missing making it last year this would be the year to get some 122 HP5. Thanks for any information...

 

[StoneNYC]

2014 ULF and Custom Film Manufacture From ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Li...

Does anyone know what happened to 122 format roll film this year? It's not on the Ilford list but various people seem to want it, me included... I thought after missing making it last year this would be the year to get some 122 HP5. Thanks for any information...

I thought it was the 9cm roll option?

http://www.freestylephoto.biz/1164756-Ilford-FP4+-125-ISO-9cm-x-50-ft.-Roll-EI

Or am I wrong?

 

[madgardener]

...<snip>...

While I am sure that Simon would love if he could throw the tarp off the 220 film machine and offer 20 roll pro-packs of 220 as part of the ULF run, it is clear from earlier posts that the old machine would take a lot of reworking to get up and running, it was probably an early computer controled machine and we all know how quickly computer stuff gets out of date. No doubt it would require rebuilding hardware and software from the ground up to get it into production. They have run the numbers and the business case is NOT there... <snip>...

Thos blasted numbers! We as film addicts need to do something about this! I propose we get all get together and invent a new form of math so that everything we want is profitable from Ilford. Kodachrome? no problem!, color IR film? HA! a trifling matter... Want that special imulsion that you loved 45 years ago? Simon laughs at how easy it is. It would all be so easy if we could just invent a new math. So get cracking you mathmatics people. I'm waiting...:munch:

 

[Xmas]

Thos blasted numbers! We as film addicts need to do something about this! I propose we get all get together and invent a new form of math so that everything we want is profitable from Ilford. Kodachrome? no problem!, color IR film? HA! a trifling matter... Want that special imulsion that you loved 45 years ago? Simon laughs at how easy it is. It would all be so easy if we could just invent a new math. So get cracking you mathmatics people. I'm waiting...:munch:

It is not mathematics instead it is accountancy that is the problem - profit is the bad word you are grappling for.
Kodak stopped doing 220 trix in 2010 (or there about) cause no one was buying it. Their 220 finishing machine may still be ok or sitting in a scrap yard being reduced to small parts for material recycling... Id suggest the latter, ditto Ilfords...
My fav retailer still has some 16x20 from last years ULF run, so some one ordered it and vanished.
Id buy a 16x20 camera if I needed one but I don't.
http://www.silverprint.co.uk/ProductByGroup.asp?PrGrp=2234
Film sales are still reducing in volume?
Digital cameras and CamPhones are getting cheaper. Most cam shops only sell digital cams, no second hand film cameras.
There are exceptions like Lomo.

 

[Ben Altman]

I thought it was the 9cm roll option?

http://www.freestylephoto.biz/1164756-Ilford-FP4+-125-ISO-9cm-x-50-ft.-Roll-EI

Or am I wrong?

Thanks - I missed that on the Ilford list I had as it said "sheet" next to it. But I don't think there are any 9 cm x 50-foot film holders out there... Freestyle's list has it as roll. I think 122 might be closer to 9.2 cm but maybe I'm wrong. And I'd have preferred HP5. But close enough!

 

[StoneNYC]

2014 ULF and Custom Film Manufacture From ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Li...

Thanks - I missed that on the Ilford list I had as it said "sheet" next to it. But I don't think there are any 9 cm x 50-foot film holders out there... Freestyle's list has it as roll. I think 122 might be closer to 9.2 cm but maybe I'm wrong. And I'd have preferred HP5. But close enough!

Yea not sure, the measurement debate between the 9cm and 9.139cm or whatever the exact measurement was solved not sure but I think that freestyle might have just listed it wrong or whatnot, but it will fit either way, 1.5mm I enough to stay in the tracks

Also not sure why it wasn't HP5+, I thought it was last year... But hurry, the orders are being finished SOON, I would order today to be sure....

Might have been a lens shutter speed reason, HP5+ might be too fast for those old lenses?

Good luck!

 

[MattKing]

It is not mathematics instead it is accountancy that is the problem - profit is the bad word you are grappling for.
Kodak stopped doing 220 trix in 2010 (or there about) cause no one was buying it. Their 220 finishing machine may still be ok or sitting in a scrap yard being reduced to small parts for material recycling... Id suggest the latter, ditto Ilfords...
My fav retailer still has some 16x20 from last years ULF run, so some one ordered it and vanished.
Id buy a 16x20 camera if I needed one but I don't.
http://www.silverprint.co.uk/ProductByGroup.asp?PrGrp=2234
Film sales are still reducing in volume?
Digital cameras and CamPhones are getting cheaper. Most cam shops only sell digital cams, no second hand film cameras.
There are exceptions like Lomo.

Kodak still makes 220 size Portra and B&H, at least, still sells it: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?atclk=Format_220&ci=2545&N=4294548524+4130468173

 

[Ben Altman]

This in today from Sherry at Freestyle:

"Okay Ben, Here's what we've learned:

122 is 91.75mm.

So, this 9cm (90mm) is not for 122 but it potentially could work, just not perfectly.

Last year, Ilford offered 1174832 ILFORD HP5+ 91.75MMx50FT UPEI, but there weren’t 20 people worldwide that wanted it, so it was not manufacture nor offered this year.

Per Apug, one guy mentions taking 1173918 ILFORD FP4+ 10"X100' UP EI and splicing it into three strips, two 92mm (122) strips and one 70mm (116,616) strip. But you would need to splice it yourself.

Here is that link from 2013: http://photo.net/black-and-white-photo-film-processing-forum/00baFo"


So to get HP5 I could slit the 8" roll I guess: http://www.freestylephoto.biz/1164965-Ilford-HP5+-400-ISO-8-in.-x-100-ft.-Roll-EI

 

[StoneNYC]

This in today from Sherry at Freestyle:

"Okay Ben, Here's what we've learned:

122 is 91.75mm.

So, this 9cm (90mm) is not for 122 but it potentially could work, just not perfectly.

Last year, Ilford offered 1174832 ILFORD HP5+ 91.75MMx50FT UPEI, but there weren’t 20 people worldwide that wanted it, so it was not manufacture nor offered this year.

Per Apug, one guy mentions taking 1173918 ILFORD FP4+ 10"X100' UP EI and splicing it into three strips, two 92mm (122) strips and one 70mm (116,616) strip. But you would need to splice it yourself.

Here is that link from 2013: http://photo.net/black-and-white-photo-film-processing-forum/00baFo"


So to get HP5 I could slit the 8" roll I guess: http://www.freestylephoto.biz/1164965-Ilford-HP5+-400-ISO-8-in.-x-100-ft.-Roll-EI

Wow I didn't even notice the 8" roll! Sheesh I must be slipping!

 

[wblynch]

"It's just a silly milli-meter longer"...

 

[madgardener]

It is not mathematics instead it is accountancy that is the problem - profit is the bad word you are grappling for.
Kodak stopped doing 220 trix in 2010 (or there about) cause no one was buying it. Their 220 finishing machine may still be ok or sitting in a scrap yard being reduced to small parts for material recycling... Id suggest the latter, ditto Ilfords...
My fav retailer still has some 16x20 from last years ULF run, so some one ordered it and vanished.
Id buy a 16x20 camera if I needed one but I don't.
http://www.silverprint.co.uk/ProductByGroup.asp?PrGrp=2234
Film sales are still reducing in volume?
Digital cameras and CamPhones are getting cheaper. Most cam shops only sell digital cams, no second hand film cameras.
There are exceptions like Lomo.

This is the trouble with these kinds of forums. One can never tell if somebody is serious or not. What I was saying, I said, tongue in cheek. We are very lucky to have companies like Ilford who produce very good products. I remember a couple years ago he looked into manufacturing a true infrared film after Efke quit and sadly told us that it couldn't be done profitably. See, that's where the "new math" would come in. IT could make everything profitable so that we would all have our perfect personalized emulsions.

Although instead of just a mathematician, perhaps a physicist could assist. The first place they could check out would be that extra dimensional space where cats go when the cat carrier shows up!!

Seriously though, my apologies for anyone I offended with my attempt at humor.

 

[Shalom]

Can we get an option for 1st and 2nd choices?

Last year I signed up for a 91.75mm roll, but there weren't enough takers to make the stuff, so I got nothing.

Perhaps this year, we could try to order 91.75, and if that's not enough, fallback to ordering 9cm. At least that way I'd get something I could use.

 

[Roger Thoms]

Hey, isn't the deadline to order this Friday?

Roger

 

[StoneNYC]

Can we get an option for 1st and 2nd choices?

Last year I signed up for a 91.75mm roll, but there weren't enough takers to make the stuff, so I got nothing.

Perhaps this year, we could try to order 91.75, and if that's not enough, fallback to ordering 9cm. At least that way I'd get something I could use.

Hey, isn't the deadline to order this Friday?

Roger

YES.

The "request stuff from ilford" timeframe is WAY past and the "hurry order now" ends the 25th or 26th but I would err on the side if caution and order TODAY to be safe.

 

[Xmas]

Hey, isn't the deadline to order this Friday?

Roger

yep
http://www.silverprint.co.uk/ProductByGroup.asp?PrGrp=2249

 

[Xmas]

Can we get an option for 1st and 2nd choices?

Last year I signed up for a 91.75mm roll, but there weren't enough takers to make the stuff, so I got nothing.

Perhaps this year, we could try to order 91.75, and if that's not enough, fallback to ordering 9cm. At least that way I'd get something I could use.

This year you need to try a 90mm slice of film across your cameras gate if it is not going to fall off edge order before this Friday or wait till Aug 15. I'd not expect 1.75 mm would cause a problem.

Each year there will be fewer takers unless you start canvassing for 91.75 now for Aug15.

 

[John Shriver]

Hoping my order for the 122 size HP5+ was one of 20 or more orders! Wondering how long until we'll hear the results.

 

[StoneNYC]

Hoping my order for the 122 size HP5+ was one of 20 or more orders! Wondering how long until we'll hear the results.

A while... A month-ish

 

[Shalom]

This year you need to try a 90mm slice of film across your cameras gate if it is not going to fall off edge order before this Friday or wait till Aug 15. I'd not expect 1.75 mm would cause a problem.

I ordered the 9cm film on Friday, because I didn't see an option for the 91.75. I don't think it'll be a problem falling into the gate. (Some of the older films used film stock narrower than the backing paper; e.g. 125.)

What's this about August 15? They doing two runs this year?

edit to add: How did you guys order the 91.75 if it wasn't on the list, and can I still get some? Badger Graphic seems to have a deadline of July 3 for these orders, everywhere else the cutoff was Friday 6/27.

 

[Xmas]

edit to add: How did you guys order the 91.75 if it wasn't on the list, and can I still get some? Badger Graphic seems to have a deadline of July 3 for these orders, everywhere else the cutoff was Friday 6/27.

Please see post #112

 

[Simon R Galley]

Dear All,

Just to let you know, the ULF orders are in and collated, as usual we will make all sheet film options as ordered but on the slit film width's we did'nt get the full MOQ's ( Minimum order quantities ) on some items..... BUT..... it has been decided to avoid some of the confusion we had last time that HARMAN will make regardless of order volume, so no matter which slitting you ordered it will be manufactured and you will get it.

Many thanks to all who have ordered under the 2014 ULF and custom manufacture run and a big thank you to our re-seller partners.

Simon : ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited