2014 ULF and Custom Film Manufacture From ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited :

[RattyMouse]

Dear All,

The Board of HARMAN technology Limited today approved the 2014 ULF run under the same terms as previous years.

Simon,

I am not a LF shooter and most likely never will be. However, I continue to buy Ilford products because of the support that you give the LF shooters. Please relate to the Ilford's board that this support to LF film users is appreciated even by the whole community of film users, not just those who buy LF film.

Ilford supports film, I support Ilford. It's that simple.

Cheers,

RM

 

[wblynch]

Perhaps substitute FP4+ for HP5+ in the 46mm rolls?

HP5+ is too fast for most classic 127 cameras.

Thank you, Bill

 

[Simon R Galley]

Dear RattyMouse,

Thank you and I will.....

Simon ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited :

 

[Dave Wooten]

Perhaps substitute FP4+ for HP5+ in the 46mm rolls?

HP5+ is too fast for most classic 127 cameras.

Thank you, Bill

Maybe try a nd filter?

 

[StoneNYC]

Perhaps substitute FP4+ for HP5+ in the 46mm rolls?

HP5+ is too fast for most classic 127 cameras.

Thank you, Bill

HP5+ is much more versatile of a film, I thought the same thing as you do, but you could probably still use it at 200 and pull the film? I've never tried 100 and pulling 2 stops but I suppose it's possible, HP5+ is magic.

And if they are going to use any other film for cameras "back in the day" that took slow film, it would be PanF+ wouldn't it?

 

[Ken Nadvornick]

Let's spread the word about 122 rollfilm for Kodak 3A cameras! It was on last year's list, but we didn't get enough folks for the minimum order.

What was the minimum? And how close did it come? And what was the cost per roll a year ago?

Against all reason, I've had my eye on a 3A. I must be crazy. It's the film requirement holding me back. The camera is in nice condition and could be an occasional gentle novelty user. Just want to know if I must sell my children to feed it. I must be crazy...

Ken

 

[TheToadMen]

What was the minimum? And how close did it come? And what was the cost per roll a year ago?

Against all reason, I've had my eye on a 3A. I must be crazy. It's the film requirement holding me back. The camera is in nice condition and could be an occasional gentle novelty user. Just want to know if I must sell my children to feed it. I must be crazy...
Ken

You could also buy a box of B&W photo paper, cut it to size and use it as a paper negative ...

 

[Shalom]

I also ordered a roll of 122 last year, but didn't get it. How many was that for this thread alone? (couldn't afford 2, sorry.)

How about an ordering system with a second chance option? Order product A (in this case a 122 roll), and if that doesn't meet the minimum, only then switch to product B (perhaps the 9cm FP4+, which would be rather less expensive as a bonus).

I should point out, the film stock doesn't have to be exactly as wide as the backing paper, so the 9cm would work almost as well as the 122. I've taken apart a couple rolls of 125 (3B) size roll film to see how it's made. What they did to make this was use the actual 122 stock (I measured it), but wound it on a 103 spool, which is almost exactly 5mm wider than the 122 spool, and widened the backing paper to match the spool. This leaves you with film that's just a tiny bit narrower than its backing paper. If Kodak could make that work, then I can use the 9cm stock in 122 backing paper instead of the 91.75mm stock that didn't wind up being manufactured due to insufficient demand. I've also loaded 105mm microfiche stock in 123 spools, which are almost 15mm wider, with home-made backing paper, and made that work as well.

(though now I can't develop the stuff... no darkroom at the moment, and the largest daylight tank I have is the ancient Kodak Film Tank's malodourous celluloid apron, which only fits up to 122.)

 

[StoneNYC]

I also ordered a roll of 122 last year, but didn't get it. How many was that for this thread alone? (couldn't afford 2, sorry.)

How about an ordering system with a second chance option? Order product A (in this case a 122 roll), and if that doesn't meet the minimum, only then switch to product B (perhaps the 9cm FP4+, which would be rather less expensive as a bonus).

I should point out, the film stock doesn't have to be exactly as wide as the backing paper, so the 9cm would work almost as well as the 122. I've taken apart a couple rolls of 125 (3B) size roll film to see how it's made. What they did to make this was use the actual 122 stock (I measured it), but wound it on a 103 spool, which is almost exactly 5mm wider than the 122 spool, and widened the backing paper to match the spool. This leaves you with film that's just a tiny bit narrower than its backing paper. If Kodak could make that work, then I can use the 9cm stock in 122 backing paper instead of the 91.75mm stock that didn't wind up being manufactured due to insufficient demand. I've also loaded 105mm microfiche stock in 123 spools, which are almost 15mm wider, with home-made backing paper, and made that work as well.

(though now I can't develop the stuff... no darkroom at the moment, and the largest daylight tank I have is the ancient Kodak Film Tank's malodourous celluloid apron, which only fits up to 122.)

The 70mm non-perf was not quite as wise as the original 116 film, off by just a bit, but it worked just fine for re-rolling.

I'm sure the 122 could work as long as it's still wide enough to cover the film gate.

Biggest issue is re-rolling backing paper. It's degrading fast, I wish ilford was able to make 127/116 backing paper rolls...

 

[Dr Croubie]

I know this has more than likely been asked before (I can't be the first), but is there any chance of Delta3200 in 4x5? Just in the size where we really need narrow apertures, and big grain doesn't matter so much as in the smaller formats, and there's only ei400 available from anywhere.
I could swing maybe $200 worth, for that cash 50-100 sheets ($2-4 per sheet) would be nice but if I only get 25-35 or so ($6-8/sheet) I could probably still justify that as worth it for a film that nice...

edit: ps, ditto PanF50 in sheets (I know that's been asked before, but I'll add my vote)

 

[Curt]

Just keep making and listing 14x11" film.

 

[StoneNYC]

I know this has more than likely been asked before (I can't be the first), but is there any chance of Delta3200 in 4x5? Just in the size where we really need narrow apertures, and big grain doesn't matter so much as in the smaller formats, and there's only ei400 available from anywhere.
I could swing maybe $200 worth, for that cash 50-100 sheets ($2-4 per sheet) would be nice but if I only get 25-35 or so ($6-8/sheet) I could probably still justify that as worth it for a film that nice...

edit: ps, ditto PanF50 in sheets (I know that's been asked before, but I'll add my vote)

FYI I doubt they would make a D3200 sheet, but it's always good to make your voice heard, however just FYI I've discovered that HP5+ pushes to 3200 beautifully, much better than I had expected (with DD-X). Also, why would you need such a fast film on a sheet film camera that would normally be on a tripod anyway?

 

[Curt]

FYI I doubt they would make a D3200 sheet, but it's always good to make your voice heard, however just FYI I've discovered that HP5+ pushes to 3200 beautifully, much better than I had expected (with DD-X). Also, why would you need such a fast film on a sheet film camera that would normally be on a tripod anyway?

Maybe it's from the top of a moving train!

 

[Xmas]

FYI I doubt they would make a D3200 sheet, but it's always good to make your voice heard, however just FYI I've discovered that HP5+ pushes to 3200 beautifully, much better than I had expected (with DD-X). Also, why would you need such a fast film on a sheet film camera that would normally be on a tripod anyway?

but you have problems with 3200 and 120 curl?
look at the 3200 data sheet for base thickness.

 

[StoneNYC]

but you have problems with 3200 and 120 curl?
look at the 3200 data sheet for base thickness.

Huh? What does the curl issue have to do with this thread? And also, D3200 is coated in a different base than HP5+

Not sure what you're trying to ascertain.?

 

[Dr Croubie]

FYI I doubt they would make a D3200 sheet, but it's always good to make your voice heard, however just FYI I've discovered that HP5+ pushes to 3200 beautifully, much better than I had expected (with DD-X). Also, why would you need such a fast film on a sheet film camera that would normally be on a tripod anyway?

Why?
Or why not?
a) Tripods don't eliminate motion blur.
b) Travelwide handheld (although I'm sure there are a lot of people who already handhold their Graphics and Folders)

I've had bad experiences pushing both TMY and TXP to 1600, 3200 is out of the question. But I haven't tried HP5, so one day I'll give that a go too.

 

[Ken Nadvornick]

Using a standard Press 25 flashbulb in a Graflite on a 4x5 Graphic loaded with ISO3200 film forces a minimum aperture f/32 subject distance of 35.36 feet. That's WAY to far away for any successful Weegee dead body shots. Even at a massacre.

Ken

 

[Dr Croubie]

Yeah, but shooting f/8 hyperfocal at ei3200 with a yellow filter in fading afternoon light makes for some nice street shots on 135 and 120, if only I could make them work on 4x5 too...

(also, in dimly lit venues I get 1/60 at f/1.9 at ei3200 with my m645. If I could use my Xenar 135/3.5 wide open at ei6400 I could get a handholdable 1/30s. The grain won't show up too much and I don't think HP5 will make it up that far)

 

[TheToadMen]

Using a standard Press 25 flashbulb in a Graflite on a 4x5 Graphic loaded with ISO3200 film forces a minimum aperture f/32 subject distance of 35.36 feet. That's WAY to far away for any successful Weegee dead body shots. Even at a massacre.
Ken

That would make a very nice "Masterclass Analogue Journalistic Photography". When will you organize it?

 

[Curt]

Since this thread has hit the wall… any chance PanF+ will make it to sheet film? I know, don't bite the hand that feeds you!
*******
I bought and I am ready and setup to try the new Ilford Classic paper!!! I mixed LPD this last evening! All I can hope for is that the paper is at least as good as Oriental Seagull was. If it stalls I'll be parting out enlarging equipment and heading toward a permanent life of contact printing in Carbon Transfer which is my main goal anyway!!!!!

 

[Regular Rod]

Dear All,

The Board of HARMAN technology Limited today approved the 2014 ULF run under the same terms as previous years.

The product offerings will remain the same as 2013 ILFORD Delta Professional Sheet Film, in some sizes / HP5+ and FP4+ Sheet Film in all sizes. HARMAN technology Limited guarantee to make all sheet film sizes even if it for a single pack. Other items such as roll items will appear on the list but certain minimum orders wioll need to be achieved. The full list will be published in March ( but much the the same as the 2013 final list ) then customers can request other sizes. The Finalised list will be published in April, we will then work with our re-seller partners ( who make this all happen ) to obtain orders by the end of June. The production run takes place end of July / early August and the goods are shipped to the re-sellers via our Distributors. For North America this means distribution in September 2014.

We thank all of you who buy, use and value ILFORD Photo products produced on the ULF and Custom manufacture.

Simon. ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited :

Is it possible for us to have a list of your UK re-seller partners?

Thank you.

RR

 

[Ricardo Miranda]

They will be published in April as Simon said above.
You can see the UK re-sellers from last year here: http://www.ilfordphoto.com/Webfiles/20136131658221147.pdf
They should be about the same for this year.

P.S. You can also see last year's prices at AG Photographic: http://www.ag-photographic.co.uk/unusual--ultra-large-format-sheet-film-29-c.asp

 

[Regular Rod]

What we could really do with is a list of who stocks what sizes of what film stock. This would serve us through the year and help the re-sellers to move their stock. It would be a good service for both re-seller and customer.

RR

 

[StoneNYC]

Yeah, but shooting f/8 hyperfocal at ei3200 with a yellow filter in fading afternoon light makes for some nice street shots on 135 and 120, if only I could make them work on 4x5 too...

(also, in dimly lit venues I get 1/60 at f/1.9 at ei3200 with my m645. If I could use my Xenar 135/3.5 wide open at ei6400 I could get a handholdable 1/30s. The grain won't show up too much and I don't think HP5 will make it up that far)

Since this is the ULF thread I'll stick to images made with film from that... So 127 (46mm re-rolled) HP5+ from last year, developed in DD-X for 20 minutes, shot at EI 3200 in various light conditions. If this look is to your satisfaction, I suggest you try it. I've posted these before but they are relevant.

 

[Simon R Galley]

Dear Regular Rod,

Our reseller partners do not hold stock of ULF or custom sizes ( very, very rarely anyway, one or two in the USA may on occasion ) its why we have to all pre-order it and why we have to go through this
exacting process every year.

And to confirm we will not be making PAN F + sheet film or DELTA Professional 3200 in sheet film on the ULF run, or at anytime, you can always ask and I will always tell you the reason why, and in this case its simple the price we would need to charge to make a return on our investment, would be in the region of 4 to 5 times the cost of FP4+ or HP5+ PER SHEET ( I have done the math ) and thats a price very few customers would be prepared to pay, and quite frankly, I don't blame them.

Simon ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited :