Yashica Mat 124 full fledge CLA

[Laurent]

The Yashica Mat 124 (I’ll write « Mat » for now to save space) was my first TLR (long story short : I won the bid on eB*y because I was frustrated I could not get hold of any Zorki … ) and I loved it as it opened new ways of seeing the world.



When it began acting, I sent it for a CLA which was fine until a few months later the shutter started getting sticky again. I fixed the issue by myself but did no longer trust the camera, so I traded a Sinar F for a Rolleiflex 3.5. Then I felt the Mat was one camera to much so I sold it.



I came to cameras maintenance for fun (see the other thread) and recently found a cheap enough Mat, the same I had some years ago. So I pulled the trigger and soon enough I’ve got a new (to me) Mat in need of a thorough CLA.



What I could see immediately :

• missing screws (on the hood but not only)
• meter « window » not in proper place
• meter not working (see above…)
• speed and aperture « window » missing
• sticky shutter that would sometimes operate fine, but even in these cases winding it was necessary to have the leaves close fully.
• Missing leatherette except on the back.
• Focus was a bit stiff.
• Somebody tried to do a paint job, I don’t know if they wanted it to look like a 124 « G » but they applied black paint in many places. I have no images of the initial status of the camera but this one gives you an idea...

When I open the camera, I could see LOTS of grease, which seem way too much for me (I like mechanism lubricated just enough) so I plan to do a clean up, which may cure the stiff focusing in the mean time.

On the image below, notice I’ve already replaced the broken wire for the meter, which did not solve the issue (but the « window » is still in a wrong place).

The first thing I did was to remove the meter assembly, and get the window back in place, held with some Pliobond (I hate this glue, as it smells awful, but it does the job) and… TADAAAA !!!* the meter works !

* ( I know, several exclamation marks are the indication of a deranged mind, according to St Terry, but well, I never pretended to be sane ! )

This is really encouraging as it shows the camera’s issues may be solved at home...

To help me in the CLA, which will be a first one as I plan on fixing the shutter myself, I looked for information sources :

- Benoit Suaudeau has a tutorial about opening Yashica TLRs : Yashica mat disassembly

- LearnCameraRepair.com has a nice tutorial about CLAing the same cameras : Yashica mat CLA tutorial by E.Pate It covers the shutter disassembly

- Spoiler alert : the same site has a Copal SVE guide, which does not really apply to the Copal SV (don’t ask me how I know) so you can spare the expense.

- YashicaTLR.com is a good source for information : yashicatlr.com

- The general diagrams for the camera are available in many places (but I can’t find a link at the moment, I’m working from a download…)



Note : anything beyond this point may damage the camera, so you are on your own…

Be careful with the solvents you use, make sure you’re working in a well ventilated room.

Removing the cover plate is easy, especially since there was no leatherette… Five screws and you’re done.

Next step is removing the lenses plate, which leaves you with an almost empty shell and the lenses and shutter on their plate.

Not show here : under the lens plate are some washers which manage the parallelism between the lens plate and the film plane… Make sure you do not lose them and you know where they go. The best way I found is that I put them back in place and screwed the screws back in place to hold them.

On the back of the plate, remove the ring that secures the shutter assembly and is used as a light baffle at the same time.

The ring you see there is part of the winding mechanism and is also used in the management of the triggering/winding process. Remove the tiny spring before you remove the ring.

Or course, you will also remove the two parts of the lens. A spanner is indicated, my Mat shows sign of careless disassembly in this area.

Next step is to remove the sync wire. My soldering iron is ugly and a bit big, but it does a good job as it’s powerful enough to unsolder in a second, which causes less damage than a weak iron that takes ages.

Note the viewing lens is still in place. I did not remove it so that I did not have to synchronize it again with the taking lens. YMMV…



When the shutter is free, it’s time to remove everything until you can access the leaves for it and the aperture. This step is a bit scary, as one always wonders if they will be able to put everything back in place…

Important notice : take many pictures, and write down every f***ing step and every bloody detail you can imagine. You WILL miss some information at one moment, the goal is to miss as few as possible…

I followed the tutorial for this, so I won’t show everything. The reassembly will be covered with more details (but you still need to write everything down!)

At one moment, your work mat will look something like this :

My mat is the "iFixit" one, as are many of my tools. It's magnetic, which can be a blessing to avoid loosing parts, but may tiny parts of the Yashica are not magnetic (screws especially) so it will not be a 100% guarantee. Sometimes, magnetism will be a curse, for example when you move the shutter assembly a little and leaves fall apart again... Don't ask me how I know.

I think that's it for this post, stay tuned for the next

 

[Andreas Thaler]

An excellent report—very clear and a real page-turner.

Thank you very much!

I see you're using the iFixit magnetic board for labeling? What's your experience with it?

 

[Laurent]

An excellent report—very clear and a real page-turner.

Thank you very much!

I see you're using the iFixit magnetic board for labeling? What's your experience with it?

Thanks, Andreas!

 

[Laurent]

The shutter assembly is very modular, so it’s quite easy to remove almost everything.

The slow speeds governor is held by two screws, the self-timer by a E-ring (don’t let it fly away ! It’s very tiny)

I chose not to remove the shutter mechanism itself, as it did not seem necessary and is made of many individual parts. I’m not sure this was the best option, as there were some contorsions to remove the two mechanisms, but it was doable.



I removed the shutter trigger lever, it’s held by only a pivot screw (this is the large brass screw visible here). Freeing the shutter from its’ housing is done by removing 4 screws that appear when the aperture lever is in the right position (see the 4 holes in the back plate)

Surprise… when one removes the shutter from its’ housing, the leaves fall ! So now you know you HAVE to be able to put them back in place. It may be possible to separate the parts without letting the leaves get loose, but it’ll be tricky as the fit is very tight between the shutter and its’ home.

There will be smaller parts with the leaves, their rôle is not clear to me and I’ve read their place is critical. However, I was able to put the shutter together without knowing exactly how they were installed initially, with apparently zero issue… More on this later.


The aperture mechanism is below the shutter mechanism, in the same carter.

When you open it the leaves get loose and you will be able to clean them.

The blades are controlled by two discs that are connected to this bottom ring.

Notice the position of the two rings, there are many (wrong) ways of putting the back…

The rings are connected to the control ring by two tiny screws, and reassembling them can be tricky. I used « reverse tweezers » to keep everyting in place. (Yes it’s a very good idea to wear gloves, even when it’s hot ! It keeps your fingers « grippy » and saves the mechanism from getting some grease from your skin. The pictures when I do not wear them are usually from a dismounting phase)

This is not explicitly said in the tutorial, but the images show it clearly : putting the leaves back is much easier in the « wide open » position. In this position they are fully supported and will not fall.

Note the blue marks in the housing, they were used to remember the relative positions of the parts. The lines show the place for the axles, the « strange » shape at the top corresponds to an opening in the plate that covers the aperture mechanism.

... 15 images limit reached, so I'll continue in the next post.

 

[Laurent]

What is not shown here is that all parts were carefully cleaned, there was oil litteraly everywhere. I used IPA for this, and cleaning paper. I lubricated the pivots again with Nyoil (I used an oil-pick for this, what you want is the tiniest amount), and the leaves themselves with graphite.

When you are done properly, the blades should open and close smoothly. When fully open, they should disappear behind the plates.

Final comments for today:
- not shown here is that it took me several attempts to get the aperture back to a working status. Next time I'll be more cautious in writing every-effing-thing down.
- the tutorial says the remounting of these leaves and the shutter ones could be hours of fun...
- I can confirm, as this (including the shutter leaves) took me the best part of a day (think 4/5 hours on the bench)

See you later for the shutter part!

 

[Tel]

Very well done! Your photos are clear and illustrate each step of the process well. What occurs to me is a point that Dan Daniel made in another thread: there are many points of similarity between different cameras; once you've disassembled one TLR you probably have a basic understanding of most of them.

 

[ic-racer]

Wow, great post! Worth saving the link.

 

[oneeyedpainter]

Great stuff @Laurent , well done and thanks for sharing. A really valuable bookmark.Thanks!

OneEyedPainter

 

[Laurent]

Thanks for you comments!

Point of interest: the camera I'm using for the images is a Canon Powershot A40 "with professional features" (Canon dixit) and 2MP... It no longer works from batteries (I guess a negative lead is the culprit) and the flash seems dead, but it still does the job and gives smaller images than my phone, on top of being easier to use!

@Tel : the issue there is that I'll be tempted to check if all TLRs are created equal, and will soon be looking for another project camera!

 

[Laurent]

Now the REAL fun begins… let’s have a look at the shutter itself !

Of course, the leaves have been very carefully cleaned before attempting the reassembly.

We are starting with the empty shutter plate, and will have to put the leaves back in place.

The general positioning is as shown below. The leaves have two holes of different sizes, so it’s quite obvious. Note the scribe lines (« I », « II » etc) on the plate, that help in identifying which blade goes where. You may notice similar markings on the work mat. Notice also that of of the spacers in is the wrong position (the one that sits alone on the « II » position)

The smaller blades act as spacers (at least this is my guess…) and I found that in my version I had to alternate, putting one spacer below the leave in a given place, then above next leave, etc. I’m not sure if I had 4 or 5 spacers to begin with, as I may have lost one (but I’m not sure and have no way of checking)

This is how it should look at the end.

I applied some Nyoil on the pivots, again using an oil pick to put only piny drops in the right place.

I found necessary to remove the flash sync contacts to have more room to put the mechanism back in place, so I did it at this stage. Note : I lost a small insulating part and am afraid Kapton tape does not do the job, so at the end I fear my sync plug is shorted. I did not try it yet.

I also removed the flash sync mechanism on the shutter main plate , as it was an additional protruding piece.

Putting the shutter plate in the housing is a matter of patience and profanities… You have to blindly put the plate in the housing without seeing it (it has to remain in the position where the blades are on the up side, otherwise you’re back to start again. Don’t ask me how many times it happened (the most stupid is when I wanted to see where I was stuck… You may want to tilt the housing a bit, as some of the remaining parts are obstacles to putting everything in place. I guess next time I’ll remove everything and will see if it’s easier.

When you are there, put the four screws holding the plate in the housing back in place (the four screws that appear when the aperture ring is in the right position) so that the shutter is secured.

NORMALLY at this stage, you should be able to arm and trigger the shutter, you will only have Bulb, but you’ll be able to check the shutter operates crisply both on opening and closing. This may be the right moment to apply some graphite on the blades, as a lubricant.

You deserve a break, the rest is a piece of cake !

To put the flash mechanism back in place, a rubber band is used to keep the winding lever out of the way.

Next comes the self timer. It is held in place by the small E-Ring (I hope you did not lose it!) and « indexed » by a brass post.

Then comes the slow speeds mechanism, which is secured by two screws.

After these two parts are back in place, you can have the control ring on top of them. It should get back easily, and gives you a way to test different speeds.

If you are satisfied, you can then put the « nut » that secures it, and lock it in place by turning the « half screw » (not really a screw, but it has a slotted head). In my case it took a bit more than one turn to have it back in the same position. I’m not 100 % sure this is critical, but why take risks ?

Finally for this side, you can put the cam that transmits the speed information to the display on top of the camera. Two screws and two washers do the trick.

That's it for today, you deserve a real rest and some patting in the back! (in real time, this represents one afternoon of work)

One thing I forgot to mention: many of the screws are held in place by a touch of clear nails polish, so that vibrations do not break havoc in the mechanics.

As a general comment, I'll add that I'm amazed at the clear design of the shutter. The sub-assemblies make it easy-ish to work on it, and the precision is such that the speeds seem accurate after reassembly. At least the slow ones, which were tested using Audacity as the opening and closing sounds are very clear.

In the next post, we’ll put the shutter back on the camera front plate…

 

[OAPOli]

The first four blades need the spacer under them; the last blade has it above. Usually the first blade is put on the post nearest to the main lever. But that's not critical. And I'd say it's risky to put oil anywhere near the blades. It can migrate and cause the blades to stick together.