" Whats happening to our industry "

[John McCallum]

John Mc

if hes gonna dish it , he is gonna get it back , especially of me ?

no sarcasim just truth & it hurts

ses

Hmmm curious statement simmon edward smith.

But I'm afraid 'Naturephoto1' has it in 1.

I put it another way.
If you wish to continue your approach of endearment and charm, I would point you to the wonderful feature of APUG called the Ignore List. Just so that when, in a week or so you find nobody seems to be answering any of your posts - you can understand why.

Best wishes for your (clearly bright) future,
John A. McCallum

 

[perfect]

i totally agree , but it seems to me only the minority are giving negative talk ?

Roteague i am confrontational , when it comes to deffending what i believe & my profession , just delete the post , cause as i see it , the minority just won't lie ??

To me the truth is hard to swallow for some , or it seems that way ?

regards simon { i only use film }

 

[perfect]

John Mc

do you really think i care about who talks to me ? If they use digital methods , when they pretend to use film , it is no loss to me , & yep thats my name

{simon edward smith photographer }TYPE IT IN A FOLLOW THE LEAD ?

ps/ And if you type that in , name with photographer , you might learn a bit more about me ?

 

[John McCallum]

Thanks seth ??

do you really think i care about who talks to me ?

er nope. ???

 

[Ricardo41]

Am I the only one who finds it slightly strange that Mr. Simon aka "perfect," who seems to passionately hate digital cameras, posted this over on dpreview's professional forum?

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1014&message=19094189

Different Simons??

ricardo

 

[roteague]

Roteague i am confrontational , when it comes to deffending what i believe & my profession , just delete the post , cause as i see it , the minority just won't lie ??

Only a fool ignores advice given in a helpful manner. Not to worry, welcome to my ignore list - you will be the only one on it - although, I suspect you will be on others ignore lists as well, before the day is out.

 

[perfect]

Whats up J Mc

cant you type your sign in the whole wide web & find it ??lolololo

Just a whole page on me !

lolololololol

you phoney

si to friends but not to you who have slated me it aint ?

 

[Ricardo41]

Poster and post reported to admin staff.

ricardo

 

[perfect]

Thats right i am a fool , thinking this was a all film site , ?

simon

 

[perfect]

coool

and if they have any sense they get rid of the digi users on this site ????????????

you won't forget me now ?

simon e smith

 

[DBP]

Am I the only one who finds it slightly strange that Mr. Simon aka "perfect," who seems to passionately hate digital cameras, posted this over on dpreview's professional forum?

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1014&message=19094189

Different Simons??

ricardo

If you follow the links, it is clearly the same guy. His web site shows the same misspellings and fractured syntax as his writing here. But for the name, I would take him to a non-native speaker of English. The second link is particularly interesting, in that he has started his own forum, on which he accounts for 62% of the posts and three of the other members account for 26%.

I also wonder if he addressed the prosepctive customer with the same lack of courtesy as he has shown here, in which case the loss of business is perfectly (irony intended) understandable, regardless of any price difference.

 

[roteague]

Am I the only one who finds it slightly strange that Mr. Simon aka "perfect," who seems to passionately hate digital cameras, posted this over on dpreview's professional forum?

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1014&message=19094189

Quite the hypocrite, I would say.

Good catch Ricardo41.

 

[John McCallum]

Whats up J Mc

cant you type your sign in the whole wide web & find it ??lolololo

Just a whole page on me !

lolololololol

you phoney

Let's just say some of us manage our exposure differently than others.

All the best (you'll need it).

Cheers, John.

 

[Bob F.]

Having skimmed though the thread I am struck by one thing. Given that people from a dozen or so countries have to converse on this site in a foreign language and manage to do so with such clarity, it does P me off when others whose first language is English simply can't be bothered. It's insulting, arrogant and disrespectful. Of course, this is simply a reflection of the person's more general attitude to life, as amply demonstrated in this thread.

All the same, running a spell-check takes seconds and hitting the shift key takes no time at all (e.g. I originally spelt "foreign" incorrectly - yet another I-before-E-except-after-C "rule" failure ).

Cheers, Bob.

 

[roteague]

I was beginning to wonder if Michael Scarpitti somehow found his way back. But, he at least knew how to use the shift key and to spell reasonably well.

 

[bjorke]

took you all day to work that out , i am truly amazed , you must be learning ?

About five minutes, which is ten more than a lamer like you deserved. Your response has disintegrated any interest I have in being polite.

Do you know why you lost your bid? Because your pictures are junk, totally amateurish drivel without direction or craft or interest. This puts them in line, apparently, with your other opinions, a situation which doesn't surprise me -- I expect that you're unable to comprehend the difference between good work and bad to begin with, and are simply quite blind to anything but your own swollen-blister ego. Welcome to the ignore list.

 

[roteague]

He is now, thankfully, on restricted access.

 

[David H. Bebbington]

The gentleman did throw out the challenge to others to google him. I did this and found two references to the same resources site plus two more to bulletin boards, total four(!).

For those interested in putting a face to the name:
Dead Link Removed

 

[Ricardo41]

Well, this guy isn't out to make friends:

"This user account is deleted from the community." (Photo.net community, that is)

ricardo

 

[perfect]

not friends that use digital & slate film

you really think i would use film

 

[Early Riser]

I think Simon's own work and background best describe what is happening to the photographic industry. He opened a "studio" without any real training as a photographer. He may have spent years shooting as an amateur but to be brutally honest here, his work looks like that of an amateur without any real training or background. And in a nutshell that is what the problem is with "professional" photography nowadays, it's not being done by professionals.

There was a time when the term "photographer" was a professional or occupational title. It didn't just mean anyone with a camera, it was an occupational distinction. One that came with years of experience and training. Over time the term was co-opted by amateur photographers and then by the public in general to be used as the reference by anyone. I have played piano for 35 years, i own a rather nice piano, but I would never ever refer to myself as a pianist or even a piano player, in my mind those are professionals and have earned their title. I'm just someone who plays piano.

Now with the coming of the digital photography age the last perceived distinction of the real photographer, the ability to actually have images "come out" consistently has been rendered moot as modern digital cameras make it very difficult for someone to not get a useable image. With that, everyone on the planet has become a photographer. And that brings you to the standard foundation of business, supply and demand. With the planet flooded with "photographers" why would you ever have to pay much for a photo?

With the flood of "photographers" and the general decline in the appreciation of quality (Wal Mart)and the general lowest common denominating of the world, the general level of photographic quality and ability have declined. Now there are still photographers out there who work at extraordinarily high quality levels, but as a percentage of the general photographer population they are few. Although I would bet their percentage per capita of general population as compared to 40 years ago is still the same. Except 40 years ago they were called photographers and everyone else was not. Now anyone with a digital or even film camera who has shot a wedding for his friends thinks they are "professional photographers".

 

[Daniel_OB]

"People shop at Wall Mart, people buy fake Guccis and Louis Vuittons, people pirate software, people steal music, people eat at fast food joints, etc... People today don't care or want or pay for quality. They're sick of quality.

Quality is for the elite. The people want cheap."

Well worth repeating. But I would add: if one want to make living from photography, at first look do your client carry an i-pod along? Make a habit to choose your clients, and if you are good no problem. Three billions of moving two laged creatures do not means the same number of people. This is heavily overpopulated place.

One more think: you have to learn marketing stuff even you deal with film. Art of any business in America is do not talk about money with customer, but kill for money sake. And also have well prepared speech to customer what is advantages of film made prints over digital, advertise wise, and you have an "as" in your hands so use it wisely.

 

[meltronic]

I read all ten pages and clicked on every included link. Now THAT was entertanment! I think he's trying to reinvent the question mark.

Good show to all who participated!

 

[gr82bart]

Well worth repeating. But I would add: if one want to make living from photography, at first look do your client carry an i-pod along? Make a habit to choose your clients, and if you are good no problem. Three billions of moving two laged creatures do not means the same number of people. This is heavily overpopulated place.

One more think: you have to learn marketing stuff even you deal with film. Art of america is do not talk about money, but kill for their sake. And also have well speach what is advantages of film made prints over digital, advertise wise, and you have an as in your hands so use it wisely.

Here's the scary part people. I think I actually understood what he was trying to write!

Regards, Art.

 

[roteague]

I think Simon's own work and background best describe what is happening to the photographic industry. He opened a "studio" without any real training as a photographer. He may have spent years shooting as an amateur but to be brutally honest here, his work looks like that of an amateur without any real training or background.

I agree with everything you have written here Brian. Give some people a camera and they think they are professionals.