What Makes it art, when it simply could be a snapshot?

[Jeff Kubach]

Well I have a basic Toyota pickup that has 300,000 miles on it and it never broke down and I think it is a great vehicle. Get a life!

Jeff

 

[Mustafa Umut Sarac]

I have a life , I dont need to get advise from you.

 

[Jeff Kubach]

So!

Jeff

 

[markbarendt]

Re: markbaren
try to upgrade you knowledge base
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conceptual_photography

http://uk.ask.com/wiki/Extraversion_and_introversion

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Update with old retreaded ideas?

Come on JS MD, grab a Holga, through in some NPZ, and go take a photo of something fun.

 

[JS MD]

Re: jovo
World of Modern Fine Art very complicated ... most important genre of Photography is Documentary [because of nature of Photography] . Time & People . Real Life as it is . Conceptual Photography very close to Photo essay . When photographer discover our life through introversion
Re: MarkBarendt
I do have worst than Holga . Cheers

 

[removed account4]

Re: jovo
World of Modern Fine Art very complicated ... most important genre of Photography is Documentary [because of nature of Photography] . Time & People . Real Life as it is . Conceptual Photography very close to Photo essay . When photographer discover our life in introversion
Re: MarkBarendt
I do have worst than Holga . Cheers

things are only as complicated as you want them to be ...

maybe TO YOU the most important genre of photography is documentary,
not to me ... i can think of many more important genres.

there is more to conceptual-work than things that you suggest.
much of the abstract of photography for advertisements is conceptual ..

 

[Jeff Kubach]

I have a life , I dont need to get advise from you.

You are still a big dummy!

Jeff

 

[JS MD]

Re:jnanian
Camera with lens is a Precise Device capturing reality -whatever you say . Like 2+2= 4 .Open your family album and find your grandparents portrait - what could be more amazing than history ? is it Documentary ?
Genres are Secondary .

 

[Sirius Glass]

Re:jnanian
Camera with lens is a Precise Device capturing reality -whatever you say . Like 2+2= 4 .Open your family album and find your grandparents portrait - what could be more amazing then history ? is it Documentary ?
Genres is Secondary .

But pasting images together via Photo$hop et al so that something that does not exist is the result is not photography, that is imaging. There is a difference.

 

[Jim Jones]

. . . American Photo Art is very specific. And is Difficult to understand for overseas photographers .
Regards

Then it is not great art. Great art should evoke feeling in almost any society rather than be merely esoteric. One doesn't have to be European to appreciate the music of Bach, Beethoven, or Mahler. There is more art in some graffiti than in some things displayed in some museums, regardless of the strident promotion of some curators. More down to earth, the costumes and tattoos of some bikers must be art to them. You might say it is greater art than American art in general, because it is appreciated by a smaller group.

 

[markbarendt]

Re: jovo
World of Modern Fine Art very complicated ... most important genre of Photography is Documentary [because of nature of Photography] . Time & People . Real Life as it is. Conceptual Photography very close to Photo essay . When photographer discover our life through introversion
Re: MarkBarendt
I do have worst than Holga . Cheers

You miss the point, I was in no way suggesting that a Holga was bad. I was suggesting that you are expressing a very narrow minded view.

Photography has rarely, if ever, been about

Real Life as it is

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As photographers we pick and choose what we portray, it is never the whole story, we always show bias. We control the content.

 

[JS MD]

Re:Sirius Glass . This is APUG and we are Analog . no copy and paste at all
Re: Jim Jones. Traditional EU art photo required an EFFECT to make art from casual image
here it is http://www.artlimited.net/image/en/238020/398
Re:markbarebndt
my eyes are wide open to any technique available - there are no limits . Documentary photography always about a life . limited by lens angle
http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/21/showcase-39/

 

[Sirius Glass]

Re:Sirius Glass . This is APUG and we are Analog . no copy and paste at all http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/21/showcase-39/

Oh, you broke the code! That is exactly why I take a hard stand again the pseudo-photography and the faux-photography of "conceptional photography".

 

[removed account4]

Re:jnanian
Camera with lens is a Precise Device capturing reality -whatever you say . Like 2+2= 4 .

i didn't say that, YOU said that.
you never asked me what i thought ...
there is more to photography than a box with a lens, much more ...

Open your family album and find your grandparents portrait - what could be more amazing than history ? is it Documentary ?
Genres are Secondary .

nope, those are snapshots, not art ... that is what the point of this thread is
the difference between art and a snapshot ... and according to what you
wrote ( and did you delete it ? ) you would need additional education
to be able to appreciate those "snapshots" ... because according to you
those snapshots are "conceptual photographs" .... if genres are secondary,
why do you keep putting things in genres / pigeonholes


steve
things don't need photoshop to be conceptual photographs
one of the best conceptual photographers ever was maholy-nagy ...
and some of the others from the bauhaus era. no computers, just an open mind ...

 

[Sirius Glass]

steve
things don't need photoshop to be conceptual photographs
one of the best conceptual photographers ever was maholy-nagy ...
and some of the others from the bauhaus era. no computers, just an open mind ...

I was specifically going after the Photo$hop crowd that adds "sprite" to photographs and puts together urban myths like the shark jumping out of the water attacking a helicopter during a rescue.

 

[keithwms]

My goodness, how closed minds do ultimately reveal themselves....

If photography is truly art then (notwithstanding our devotion to traditional techniques on this particular site) it cannot be limited to some formula or some narrow path. Do journalism, do conceptual, do p&s, do whatever. It's your thing.

 

[removed account4]

I was specifically going after the Photo$hop crowd that adds "sprite" to photographs and puts together urban myths like the shark jumping out of the water attacking a helicopter during a rescue.

i had a feeling that was what you were getting at ...
but there is more to conceptual photography
than cutting and pasting and creating illusions with photoshop ...
with conceptual images ( whether paintings or photography, music or sculpture )
there is a hidden meaning ... a subtext that gives
the images a deeper meaning, and once one understands the subtle
play on images, shapes, and formal elements of the work it all makes more sense ...
like images that might use old vw beetles with wings
flying like bugs, or skewered in a martini glass like olives or onions ...

 

[MaximusM3]

But pasting images together via Photo$hop et al so that something that does not exist is the result is not photography, that is imaging. There is a difference.

Hmmm...what about using two different negatives in the darkroom to make one image...as in adding clouds when there are none?

http://www.kodak.com/global/en/consumer/education/lessonPlans/darkroom/combination.shtml

Hey, I could add a balloon, or a bird, or...whatever...is that game?

 

[Sirius Glass]

Hmmm...what about using two different negatives in the darkroom to make one image...as in adding clouds when there are none?

http://www.kodak.com/global/en/consumer/education/lessonPlans/darkroom/combination.shtml

Hey, I could add a balloon, or a bird, or...whatever...is that game?

See the posting with

I was specifically going after the Photo$hop crowd that adds "sprite" to photographs and puts together urban myths like the shark jumping out of the water attacking a helicopter during a rescue.

and you will see exactly what I am criticizing as not being photography but imaging.

Steve

 

[JS MD]

Re: Keithwms
" If photography is truly art then... "
Photography is a way to capture reality , and have nothing to do with art . Captured piece of reality on the film is a flat like a sh** on the road .
When artist use camera as an instrument to express himself - that's a different story

 

[keithwms]

Well if that's all you think photography is then I wish you a rewarding career in photojournalism.

 

[markbarendt]

Hmmm...what about using two different negatives in the darkroom to make one image...as in adding clouds when there are none?

http://www.kodak.com/global/en/consumer/education/lessonPlans/darkroom/combination.shtml

Hey, I could add a balloon, or a bird, or...whatever...is that game?

I took a triple exposure last weekend and printed it today, how does that fit.

 

[JS MD]

Re: Keithwms
nope , -
it is not about photojournalism
here is a great sample of documentary art photography
http://blog.ricecracker.net/2010/02/24/cartier-bresson-kertesz-koudelka/
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Re:markbarendt
....................your post .." I took a triple exposure last weekend ..."
kills entire life of Sirius Glass ))

 

[MaximusM3]

I took a triple exposure last weekend and printed it today, how does that fit.

Sounds good to me, Mark..I do that all the time with my Holga

 

[MaximusM3]

See the posting with
and you will see exactly what I am criticizing as not being photography but imaging.

Steve

Ha...got it...sort of like the Star Magazine stuff with three headed babies, aliens, Loch Ness monsters, ect..although I think they were doing that before Photoshop was invented. Now it's just easier.

I agree though..It's called Photoshop Art..and it's art to some. Is it photography? Depends on who you talk to I guess but I do know that we can sit here and argue about it for years