What Makes it art, when it simply could be a snapshot?

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    So long as you have your zircon encrusted tweezers you'll be all right. You can rent a pygmy pony from Father Riley down at Joe's Garage.
     
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    Branching out from silver recycling into dental floss?

    And now back to your regularly scheduled thread....
     
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    Frank had it right!
     
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    What about cave paintings?

    By someone's criteria they cannot be art. Golly.

    Zappa spoke air.
     
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    I once had an opinion but then went to college to learn I have yet to reach the social hierarchical level to believe or promote them.
     
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    You have to consider Zappa's frame of reference. His comments virtually always refer to modern society.

    Further, because cave paintings are not moveable it does not preclude the notion that people somehow paid for them.

    First, the artist could have been paid to paint them.
    How many young, upwardly mobile cave dwellers would have given their last mammoth tusk to have the walls of their abode painted by the famous Oont Groont?

    What if the painter, himself, charged people two clam shells admission to enter the cave and marvel at the images therein? People, today, pay a pretty penny to see the caves at Lascaux. (If they are even allowed inside.)

    Finally, what if the painted cave was hallowed ground and what if the painter received patronage, political/religious status or both for adorning the walls of the shrine? Michelangelo might not have been so revered and well-known, today, if he didn't paint the Sistine Chapel.

    Just because you can't pick it up and carry it away doesn't mean you can't sell it.
     
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    yup ...
    and as far as the cave painter goes
    it was just doing the same as a snapshot with a kodak instamatic camera
    it was something that took 5 minutes of time for him / her to do
    and all of his / her peers laughed ( except for a few ) when admission was charged
    to view his / her creation ... he got an advance from the cave painter's art alliance who were
    upset with the coloration and the types of images he chose ( " so gauche! " ), and the apparent lack of time
    and skill ... they called him / her a "hack" people railed him / her at local cave dwellings
    and argued whether the paintings were meant to be called "art" or " a joke" ...
    and he laughed all the way to the shell deposit company ...

    sounds like art to me ...
     
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    [video=youtube;W_v_ubcYsTI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_v_ubcYsTI[/video]
     
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    This should conclude this thread! So damn funny. :laugh:
     
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    All I know is that Xtol sucks...
     
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    Well, yeah, that's a known fact.
     
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    Well, I must have missed something, because your arguments are the reason I switched from Rodinal to Xtol.
     
  13. That is ok. I use XTOL replenished. Published results disagree with them. We know the XTOL is better. I just don't want to smoke whatever they are smokin'!
     
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    I love Xtol. Just playing games with Steve.
     
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    Are you referring to that silly Kodak chart again, Steve? :smile:
     
  17. Moi?
     
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    silly is right, all those charts are a WOT
     
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    If, like, someone put that on a t-shirt and then took a photo of it with a Holga...and then printed it real big, like big enuf to use that special 120 film proper...

    I think that would be art.
     
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    and if they processed it in extol, it would be suckiart.
    of course, if they processed in dammitol, ( no documentation needed )
     
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    It's art when you, the artist say it is and it is fine-art when someone agrees and is willing to pay for it; There is no better critique then the guy with the money.
     
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    Snapshot means different things to people. Family snapshots can be very formal, with everyone looking at the camera and only the focus or print quality to separate it from traditional portraiture. Or it can mean unintentional framing. What "serious" photographers and curators mean by snapshot aesthetic isn't the same thing as amateurs who see casual framing as a failure.
     
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    Back to OP where OP has reference to the picture, to me it is not a snapshot, it is crapshot. Because it is crappy. It could be art for sure, but here is no light in it.

    If you look at some recognized photogs pictures, which could be, mistakenly, described as snapshot, the light has quality in them.
    Or would it be classic lomography, which is snapshot by its principals. Many good lomography pictures are like art. Because they are spontaneous, yet, with play, good light and art like colors.

    Good light could be from crappy flash and art like colors are not with perfect WB IMO :smile:
     
  25. Photographs are composed. Snapshots are just grabbed shot. Some are good. Most not so much.
     
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    i hope in the 6 years since you posted that to this thread
    you changed back .. can't stand xtol ...

    worker, i found the tweezers and my pony ..

    bdial,
    yeah more money in DF, and you know i keep the sweet stuff for myself ..
     
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