Perhaps this Gelto found on a fleamarket this last Sunday.
By the way, I wonder if anyone might have a suggestion as to what the legend on the 'autofacus' housing says? Can it be Japanese or perhaps Hebrew? Thank you for any suggestions!
Nice.An Argus model B. Supposedly they made only 1,000. The lens and shutter look a lot like the ones on one version of the Certo Dollina 0. The body is like an Argus A.
Interesting! Gelto cameras and Grimmel optics are Japanese:
http://camera-wiki.org/wiki/Semi_Gelto
Suspect that is a 3rd party rangefinder, such were not unknown:
https://retinarescue.com/geltod3.html
"Autofocus" likely means that it's coupled to the lens.
Update: Found it: It's got a "Cyclon" rangefinder:
https://ameblo.jp/foto-pooh/entry-12494825652.html
The Gelto and Cyclon rangefinder are shown here also: http://camera-wiki.org/wiki/Gelto#Rangefinder_conversions
To me the inscription looks maybe like stylized katakana script for "Su-ga-ko", (or maybe "Su-ga-yu"?) and the camera-wiki article says the rangefinders were made by Sugaya or Sugaya Koki, which is close but not quite.
Fascinating. Before your note, I did not know that this lens existed. According to Bob Salomon on photo.net:If it ever arrives, an 80/5.6 Grandagon. According to Thiele (news from Arne Croell, to whom all credit is due), 1 of 351.
Fascinating. Before your note, I did not know that this lens existed. According to Bob Salomon on photo.net:
"The only info we have on this lens is from an old Linhof book which
shows it having a coverage of 165mm. The book was copyright in 1973.
Our oldest Rodenstock dealer catalog only lists the price of the lens
in 1975 in Copal 0 shutter. At that time it was $995.00 list. However
it had already been discontinued as the 1975 data sheet on Grandagons
does not include it."
Almost $1000 in 1975? Wow.
You're an ebay seller. You know that all lenses are rare, at worst medium rare. When's the last time you were offered a lens, well-done?Why, I have drawers full of RARE lenses! Either that or the ebay sellers were lying? Probably my 12" Struss.
Ebay doesn't recognize the number you posted, please correct. This 253580696137 one's listing says it is in a Copal #1 and the one image agrees. This 323849085584 one, however, is in a Synchro-Compur #0.There is one on ebay right now, item number 162692937330 for $1,393.26
Or, am I mistaken? It's shutter is a Copal 1.
Corrected now.Ebay doesn't recognize the number you posted, please correct. This 253580696137 one's listing says it is in a Copal #1 and the one image agrees. This 323849085584 one, however, is in a Synchro-Compur #0.
Thanks.Corrected now.
The German txt for 323849085584 says:
Due to a patent lawsuit with Zeiss, only 20 of these lenses were built and 5 prototypes.
There are no more lenses worldwide !!!
Due to its image performance only very rarely offered on eBay.
On eBay usa, two of the 80mm Grandagons are shown. One from Japan, one from Hong Kong. They certainly are not 2600 Euros.Thanks.
That listing's claim that only 25 were made is what prompted me to ask Arne what Thiele reported. As Jim didn't say but should have, ebay sellers often, um, pull the long bow.
Few are offered because there aren't many.
Thank you v.m. - 4s! And sorry for late reply. (in the meantime I've given the camera to a friendly collector - I'm more like a user). But thanks again!Interesting! Gelto cameras and Grimmel optics are Japanese:
http://camera-wiki.org/wiki/Semi_Gelto
Suspect that is a 3rd party rangefinder, such were not unknown:
https://retinarescue.com/geltod3.html
"Autofocus" likely means that it's coupled to the lens.
Update: Found it: It's got a "Cyclon" rangefinder:
https://ameblo.jp/foto-pooh/entry-12494825652.html
Thanks, red.!The Gelto and Cyclon rangefinder are shown here also: http://camera-wiki.org/wiki/Gelto#Rangefinder_conversions
To me the inscription looks maybe like stylized katakana script for "Su-ga-ko", (or maybe "Su-ga-yu"?) and the camera-wiki article says the rangefinders were made by Sugaya or Sugaya Koki, which is close but not quite.
According to a seller on german eBay last year (sorry haven't kept the link) there were only 20 pcs. sold, beside 5 prototypes; reportedly on account of patent dispute with Zeiss, as it's supposed to be more or less a copy of the Biogon?Fascinating. Before your note, I did not know that this lens existed. According to Bob Salomon on photo.net:
"The only info we have on this lens is from an old Linhof book which
shows it having a coverage of 165mm. The book was copyright in 1973.
Our oldest Rodenstock dealer catalog only lists the price of the lens
in 1975 in Copal 0 shutter. At that time it was $995.00 list. However
it had already been discontinued as the 1975 data sheet on Grandagons
does not include it."
Almost $1000 in 1975? Wow.
Please see post #242 above. I should have been more explicit. Thiele, according to Arne Croell, says that Rodenstock made 351 80/5.6 Grandagons.According to a seller on german eBay last year (sorry haven't kept the link) there were only 20 pcs. sold, beside 5 prototypes; reportedly on account of patent dispute with Zeiss, as it's supposed to be more or less a copy of the Biogon?
No, you were quite clear! Reason I posted my info was I thought they maybe had managed to sell only 20 pcs. before being stopped by Zeiss? I own a couple of 58/5,6 Grandagons and agree its decent, I seem to remember it covers 9x12cm but not 4x5". I've never handled the 75mm/4,5 Biogon. Hope you might care to post about your results with the 80/5,6 Grandagon?Please see post #242 above. I should have been more explicit. Thiele, according to Arne Croell, says that Rodenstock made 351 80/5.6 Grandagons.
Many eBay sellers are ignorant, some are dishonest. Claims of rarity in eBay listings are generally, um, mistaken.
Not a Biogon copy. I've owned 20 38/4.5 Biogons, have held 45/4.5, 53/4.5 and 75/4.5 Biogons in my hands. Used to own a Pacific Optical improved 3"/4.5er. All have visibly convex outer elements, as in they can't be set down facing upwards. Doing so risks damaging the rear element and in that position they're very, um. tippy. F/5.6 Grandagons' -- yes, I have a 58/5.6 too -- outer surfaces are very nearly flat. They contain four cemented doublets, are in the same family as f/5.6 Super Angulons and f/4.5 Grandagons.
No, you were quite clear! Reason I posted my info was I thought they maybe had managed to sell only 20 pcs. before being stopped by Zeiss? I own a couple of 58/5,6 Grandagons and agree its decent, I seem to remember it covers 9x12cm but not 4x5". I've never handled the 75mm/4,5 Biogon. Hope you might care to post about your results with the 80/5,6 Grandagon?
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