What is "Fine Art"?

[Pieter12]

Calling anything fine art or even art, is just marketing. Nothing more.

So what do the museums and galleries display?

You don't find a Duchamp around every corner. And the urinal is rather shapely you must admit. Note it is not sitting as it would on a wall. The new position takes it out of context and transforms it. But in the end it's the"idea" that is the art. If you have a good idea and the sensibility to go with it, you might just be an artist.

Duchamp had the idea to use a urinal as art to test the sincerity of the Society of Independent Artists to show whatever their members submitted for a group show in1917. It was refused and never shown. Stieglitz photographed it that same year and his photo is the main document of the original piece. The original urinal was lost and replicas were made in the 50's and 60's for exhibition.

 

[Sirius Glass]

So what do the museums and galleries display?

Duchamp had the idea to use a urinal as art to test the sincerity of the Society of Independent Artists to show whatever their members submitted for a group show in1917. It was refused and never shown. Stieglitz photographed it that same year and his photo is the main document of the original piece. The original urinal was lost and replicas were made in the 50's and 60's for exhibition.

So it pissed off the members?

 

[Pieter12]

So it pissed off the members?

Now it's a pissing match.

 

[Sirius Glass]

Now it's a pissing match.

From TGIF ==> Thank g-d it is Friday to POETS ==> Piss On Everyone Tomorrow is Saturday

 

[jnamia]

Duchamp had the idea to use a urinal as art to test the sincerity of the Society of Independent Artists to show whatever their members submitted for a group show in1917. It was refused and never shown. Stieglitz photographed it that same year and his photo is the main document of the original piece. The original urinal was lost and replicas were made in the 50's and 60's for exhibition

Maybe it wasn't shown because he signed it R. Mutt, and R. Mutt wasn't a member of the Society of Independent Artists.

 

[faberryman]

Maybe it wasn't shown because he signed it R. Mutt, and R. Mutt wasn't a member of the Society of Independent Artists.

Maybe it was just an administrative error.

 

[Don_ih]

Maybe it was just an administrative error.

Or perhaps they actually installed it in the washroom when they received it.

 

[Sirius Glass]

Does that flush this part of the discussion?

 

[faberryman]

Or perhaps they actually installed it in the washroom when they received it.

I saw it at the Musee d'Art Moderne in Paris in the spring of 1976. It wasn't in the washroom. It was out in the middle of the exhibit floor along with some other pieces. People were sort of walking around it stroking their chins trying to figure it out, as if they were going to figure it out just by looking at it. Here is a hint: it is a urinal. Someone mentioned above that the original was lost and they substituted a copy. The one I saw had "R. Mutt 1917" written on it as plain as day. If a museum can show a fake urinal with a fake signature, I don't know why anyone is worried about Photoshop. Seems like we have bigger fish to fry.

They were also exhibiting Duchamp's copy of the Mona Lisa with a moustache drawn on it. It is titled L.H.O.O.Q which is pronouced "Elle a chaud au cul" which translated means "She has a hot ass." Since Duchamp manipulated the Mona Lisa, no one knows if the one with a moustache or the one without a moustache is true, so everyone has lost faith in art.

 

[jnamia]

I saw it at the Musee d'Art Moderne in Paris in the spring of 1976, and it wasn't in the washroom. It was out in the middle of the exhibit floor along with some other pieces. People were sort of walking around it stroking their chins trying to figure it out, as if they were going to figure it out just by looking at it. Someone mentioned above that the original was lost and they substituted a copy. The one I saw had R. Mutt 1917 written on it as plain as day. If a museum can show a fake urinal with a fake signature, I don't know why anyone is worried about Photoshop. Seems like we have bigger fish to fry.

that must have been fun seeing something so historic like that ( even thought it's a replica ). I've been lucky enough to see man ray's Le Cadeau and jasper johns Ballentine ale. I'd love to work in the collections department of a museum it must be fun being surrounded by all that art and all that history.

 

[Sirius Glass]

I saw it at the Musee d'Art Moderne in Paris in the spring of 1976, and it wasn't in the washroom. It was out in the middle of the exhibit floor along with some other pieces. People were sort of walking around it stroking their chins trying to figure it out, as if they were going to figure it out just by looking at it. Someone mentioned above that the original was lost and they substituted a copy. The one I saw had R. Mutt 1917 written on it as plain as day. If a museum can show a fake urinal with a fake signature, I don't know why anyone is worried about Photoshop. Seems like we have bigger fish to fry.

A fake in a museum could piss some people off.

 

[faberryman]

A fake in a museum could piss some people off.

Anything can piss people off. Some people like being pissed off, so much so they go looking for stuff to be pissed off about. They are a real joy to be around, virtually and in person.

 

[Sirius Glass]

Anything can piss people off. Some people like being pissed off, so much so they go looking for stuff to be pissed off about. They are a real joy to be around, virtually and in person.

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[markjwyatt]

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[Sirius Glass]

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[RalphLambrecht]

I'm surprised this topic has only garnered mere 16 pages thus far.

Key to this subject is the fact that art rimes supremely well with fart. Imagine how a fine fart would have smelled like.

anybody can fart but, the smell is theart.

 

[jnamia]

I saw it at the Musee d'Art Moderne in Paris in the spring of 1976. It wasn't in the washroom. It was out in the middle of the exhibit floor along with some other pieces. People were sort of walking around it stroking their chins trying to figure it out, as if they were going to figure it out just by looking at it. Here is a hint: it is a urinal. Someone mentioned above that the original was lost and they substituted a copy. The one I saw had "R. Mutt 1917" written on it as plain as day. If a museum can show a fake urinal with a fake signature, I don't know why anyone is worried about Photoshop. Seems like we have bigger fish to fry.

They were also exhibiting Duchamp's copy of the Mona Lisa with a moustache drawn on it. It is titled L.H.O.O.Q which is pronouced "Elle a chaud au cul" which translated means "She has a hot ass." Since Duchamp manipulated the Mona Lisa, no one knows if the one with a moustache or the one without a moustache is true, so everyone has lost faith in art.

have you seen any of the lamp shades man ray sliced ? from what I have read he made more of them than the iron with nails welded to the surface, I have only see the iron... the story goes he met some guy at a party, they couldn't have a conversation because neither could speak the other's language. so MR brought him to his studio and tack welded the tacks to the iron right infront of him and gave it to him as a gift ( as in the name le cadeau / the gift ). Jasper johns had a bet with someone that he could make anything he wanted and some museum would buy it, so he bronzed 2 beer cans, and both are in the permanent collection of the MFA in Boston ... I wish I could find a place that had the lampshade ...

 

[Arthurwg]

The art is the idea.

 

[Sirius Glass]

Fine art in photography is what I do; what others do, not so much.

 

[KerrKid]

Only a fine artist can produce fine art. To become a fine artist you go to a college, pay them lots of money, take a variety of classes, graduate with a fine art degree, and begin a life of poverty as you attempt to sell your fine art to people who either can't appreciate it or can't afford it or both. When you die, your fine art finally sells.

 

[faberryman]

Only a fine artist can produce fine art. To become a fine artist you go to a college, pay them lots of money, take a variety of classes, graduate with a fine art degree, and begin a life of poverty as you attempt to sell your fine art to people who either can't appreciate it or can't afford it or both. When you die, your fine art finally sells.

That used to be the case. Now you have to go to graduate school before you begin your life of poverty. There are just no shortcuts anymore.

 

[KerrKid]

That used to be the case. Now you have to go to graduate school before you begin your life of poverty. There are just no shortcuts anymore.

Lol. You’re right.

 

[VinceInMT]

Only a fine artist can produce fine art. To become a fine artist you go to a college, pay them lots of money, take a variety of classes, graduate with a fine art degree, and begin a life of poverty as you attempt to sell your fine art to people who either can't appreciate it or can't afford it or both. When you die, your fine art finally sells.

You’re close except that I waited until I was retired to get my BFA (graduate in a few weeks right before I turn 70) and I went tuition free because my state waves it for Vietnam Era Veterans and any resident age 65 or older. Since I have other resources, I don’t have to live in poverty which is good because what I have sold hasn’t created a serious taxable event. Maybe when I am gone my kids will discover a treasure trove in my studio.

 

[KerrKid]

I used to do fine art - very detailed pen-and-ink drawings of covered bridges and barns, etc. that took months to complete. Now, I just do art - block-printing on t-shirts. Naturally, I take pictures of the t-shirts and upload them to my WooCommerce site so I can not sell them to people who don’t know and don’t care that they’re there.

 

[Arthurwg]

You’re close except that I waited until I was retired to get my BFA (graduate in a few weeks right before I turn 70) and I went tuition free because my state waves it for Vietnam Era Veterans and any resident age 65 or older. Since I have other resources, I don’t have to live in poverty which is good because what I have sold hasn’t created a serious taxable event. Maybe when I am gone my kids will discover a treasure trove in my studio.

Wow! Maybe I should move to MT.