What does glycin add to a developer?

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gary mulder

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Glycin was expensive enough everytime I checked in Spain to discard any kind of use. Also Ilford MG RC IV was completely inmune to any change in developer, and I tried several including advertised warm and cold tone developers, it delivered always the same print. So i chose the cheapest standard paper developer I found (Dektol, Neutol, Eukobrom, PQ).

Ilford MGFB.5k will exhaust most soft working developers quickly. You need a developer based on Hydroquinone Metol to get predictable results. I had some luck with Amidol based developers on smal sized prints.
 

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Ilford MG RC IV was completely inmune to any change in developer

I think this nails it on the head. The problem in assessing glycin's impact may have little to do with the chemistry of the developer, but more with the composition of modern paper. As I mentioned, when I compare D-72 and Agfa Ansco 130 in MG Classic fiber I see differences, but very subtle. They are there, but I have to look closely, and they are barely noticeable from a distance. But then, this paper also gives me very little results when selenium toned. I appreciate it, but at this point, I've decided that I'll take what it wants to give me, not what I would like it to give me.

Quite possible that we would have a whole different conversation regarding glycin and Agfa Ansco 130 30, 40 or 50 years when there were many more papers available, some proving to be more susceptible to be impacted by the chemistry than today's papers.
 

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It's also probable that glycin gourmets simply aren't into RC paper, so would have relatively little to comment in that regard.
 

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Ilford MGFB.5k will exhaust most soft working developers quickly. You need a developer based on Hydroquinone Metol to get predictable results. I had some luck with Amidol based developers on smal sized prints.

More likely the build up of Bromide is inhibiting the Metol, this also happens with MQ developers. An example is Ilford ID-20 once sold as a packaged powder MQ developer, initially it was replaced by ID-20 PQ which had far greater capacity. There were complaints about image colour shifting as Bromide built up so it was re-formulatedas ID-62 cutting the Bromide in half and adding Benzotriazole which stops the colour shift. By adding Potassium Carbonate and Hydroxide, instead of Sodium Carbonate, Ilford introduced PQ Universal, which is essentially a concentrated liquid version of ID-62.

When I started printing seriously around 1968 I used Kodak D163, an MQ developer, at that time it was the Kodak Ltd UK & Europe Universal developer, so equivalent of D72. Capacity in terms of the number of prints I could make in a session was relatively low before the developer started to collapse, and I would usually have to make up fresh developer.

Later when I switched to PQ Universal I notice a huge increase in throughput compared to D163. These days I use ID-78 essentially ID-62 with no Benzotriazole and the Bromide increased, but I mix as a liquid concentrate, capacity is really only limited with either developer by take up and carry over with FB papers. Harman Warmtone developer was initially a concentrated liquid version of ID-78, but the MSDS sheets seem to indicate it has been re-formulated.

Ian
 

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I use RC for everything. Like every other tool available, the results depend more on how you understand them and how you make use of them.
It probably is important that I use a fair amount of toning as well.
Our Darkroom Group currently has a show in the Reach Gallery in Abbotsford BC, and some of the prints are mine. As all the prints are framed behind glass, it would be difficult to tell the RC prints from the FB prints.
For anyone interested, here are the details for the show: Reach Gallery - Darkroom Group - Persistence of Process
 
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