Ultrafine Finesse 400 35mm x 100 ft Black and White Film

Paul Howell · Sep 22, 2020

You may be right.

dourbalistar · Sep 22, 2020

According to their existing developing chart, there used to be an Ultrafine B&W in 125 and 400, as well as an Ultrafine Plus in 100 and 400 speeds. I've never tried either, but maybe some longtime Photo Warehouse supporters might have experience with those (old) stocks.

Paul Howell · Sep 22, 2020

dourbalistar said:
According to their existing developing chart, there used to be an Ultrafine B&W in 125 and 400, as well as an Ultrafine Plus in 100 and 400 speeds. I've never tried either, but maybe some longtime Photo Warehouse supporters might have experience with those (old) stocks.

I've used both Ultrafine 125 and 400, not quite sure when they were replaced by UF +e, at the time in the 80s and 90s I think PW was buying rolls from Ilford and cutting to size including 4X5 and packaging, then came UF + and current is UF extreme, PH no longer lists T grain 400 which was quite nice.

Disconnekt · Sep 30, 2020

Looks like Ultrafine added some dev times for the Finesse 400 on their site:

Ultrafine 76 Powder Developer Stock 7.5 Min
Ultrafine 76 Powder Developer 1:1 12.5 Min
Ultrafine Endurance Developer 1:9 7 Min
Ilford ID-11 Developer Stock 7.5 Min
Kodak Xtol Developer Straight 7.5 Min
Kodak T-Max Dev 1:4 8.5 Min
Kodak HC110 Developer Dil B 7 Min
Agfa Rodinal Developer 1:25 6 Min

Disconnekt · Sep 30, 2020

And they now have a Finesse 100 iso film too (here: https://www.ultrafineonline.com/ulfi10035x10.html) for the same price of $49.95, no dev times for it yet.

Looks like they kept the same color scheme for their own films, 100 iso film is labeled in blue & the 400 iso film is labeled in green, same as the Extreme films

dourbalistar · Sep 30, 2020

Hmmm... the plot thickens! It looks like they fixed the typo in the original logo as well. Now that they've posted some starting times, I think I might buy a bulk roll of the 400. The cynic in my thinks that Ultrafine eXtreme may be discontinued and replaced by Finesse which is a different type of film, but who knows...???

dourbalistar · Sep 30, 2020

Disconnekt said:
And they now have a Finesse 100 iso film too (here: https://www.ultrafineonline.com/ulfi10035x10.html) for the same price of $49.95, no dev times for it yet.

Looks like they kept the same color scheme for their own films, 100 iso film is labeled in blue & the 400 iso film is labeled in green, same as the Extreme films

...but the ISO 100 film is out of stock?

Disconnekt · Sep 30, 2020

dourbalistar said:
Hmmm... the plot thickens! It looks like they fixed the typo in the original logo as well. Now that they've posted some starting times, I think I might buy a bulk roll of the 400. The cynic in my thinks that Ultrafine eXtreme may be discontinued and replaced by Finesse which is a different type of film, but who knows...???

Thats what I'm thinking too. Thats probably why they've been out of stock of the bulk Xtreme 400 for a long while, theyre just letting the Xtreme line (100 & 400) run out while they stock up more of the Finesse films.

Disconnekt · Sep 30, 2020

dourbalistar said:
...but the ISO 100 film is out of stock?

It seems like it didnt take them that long to get some of the Finesse 400 in stock once they put the info page up for it, so my guess is that since they must have just put up the info page for the Finesse 100 up in the last couple days, they may be getting some in stock sometime in the next few weeks.

MattKing · Sep 30, 2020

I wonder if it is from China?

Disconnekt · Oct 1, 2020

Good chance its rebadged Fomapan. Was looking at the dev charts between the two films (Finesse & Fomapan400) and the times are the same/pretty close

Rowreidr · Oct 1, 2020

Disconnekt said:
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Looks like they kept the same color scheme for their own films, 100 iso film is labeled in blue & the 400 iso film is labeled in green, same as the Extreme films

Which is the same as Ilford's...

Donald Qualls · Oct 1, 2020

Disconnekt said:
Good chance its rebadged Fomapan. Was looking at the dev charts between the two films (Finesse & Fomapan400) and the times are the same/pretty close

I know (because I check it frequently) that the Massive Dev Chart time for Foma 400 in Xtol stock is 7:00. They might well suggest thirty seconds longer, though, in order to get a little more contrast.

Paul Howell · Oct 1, 2020

County of origin might be on the label on the can, has anyone pulled the trigger and bought a can? In terms of China, Shanghai has a new 400 speed film out.

Wallendo · Oct 1, 2020

Their price is similar to that of Arista EDU Ultra 400, so I lean towards rebadged Fomapan.

It is interesting that they are selling this film but give absolutely no description of the product. Good marketers can make any film sound better than what it replaced. It is also interesting that they are not yet selling individual rolls. Likely they want to sell their current supply, but also, if made by Foma, the indivdual rolls would be a give-away of its identity. Foma-made films come in non-DX coded cannisters with glued-on labels. There are no ID marking in the rebate of the film.

Paul Howell · Oct 4, 2020

Listed on Owra North American site.

ORWO N74 PLUS (400 ASA), 35MM, NEGATIVE B&W FILM, ON 100FT CORE,

dourbalistar · Oct 4, 2020

Paul Howell said:
Listed on Owra North American site.

ORWO N74 PLUS (400 ASA), 35MM, NEGATIVE B&W FILM, ON 100FT CORE,

I would be surprised if it's ORWO N74+, as that film has been discontinued by ORWO. It's been replaced by a new N75 emulsion, and ORWO lists it as ISO 320. Whatever's listed on the ORWO North America site is probably remaining stock.

Paul Howell · Oct 4, 2020

At $70 a roll expensive compared to Ultrafine 400 or house branded Foma 400. I've never shot Orwa, not sure if its worth the price.

dourbalistar · Oct 4, 2020

Paul Howell said:
At $70 a roll expensive compared to Ultrafine 400 or house branded Foma 400. I've never shot Orwa, not sure if its worth the price.

I've shot through one bulk roll of ORWO N74+, and it's an interesting film. I bought it back when it was $60/bulk roll. Like Eastman Double-X, it's a cinema film (with the characteristic rounded perforations), but I think their similarities end there. I found it to have slightly more grain than other 400 speed B&W films. I have an album of image samples on my Flickr.

Lomography re-badges ORWO N74+ film as Berlin Kino, and ORWO UN54 is probably Potsdam Kino. Lomo's developing guide for Lomography Berlin Kino 400, "Formula 2019" clearly shows FILMOTEC ORWO N74 in the edge markings.

Horatio · Oct 15, 2020

Anyone placed an order yet?

dourbalistar · Oct 15, 2020

Horatio said:
Anyone placed an order yet?

Nope, not me, not yet. Since Ultrafine eXtreme 400 is out of stock, I got a bulk roll of Kentmere 400 instead. Wanted to compare the two for myself.

RJM Pictures · Oct 17, 2020

I think I might be the first to try it... lol. *fingers crossed*

Disconnekt · Oct 17, 2020

I would get it to try it out, but money is tight for a while for me. :/

Donald Qualls · Oct 17, 2020

RJM Pictures said:
I think I might be the first to try it... lol. *fingers crossed*

We'll all be watching and waiting...

Horatio · Oct 17, 2020

RJM Pictures said:
I think I might be the first to try it... lol. *fingers crossed*

Yes. Keep us posted.

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