Absolutely true. This is the worst thing people can do (and still harp on about here on Photrio as a panacea against future gloom). It really does put manufacturers in a bad place.
and hoarding large quantities of a particular film might just speed up it's demise
You have to pay for Forex? .
You have to pay for Forex? Wow....most US cards cover that cost. I lived in China for 6 years and didn't pay 1 penny of currency conversion costs, despite charging thousands upon thousands of dollars. B & H also pays all shipping costs in the US at a much lower price point, $25 or $30 which I hit easily.
Quite common in Canada, I'm not aware of a Canadian card that doesn't add a surcharge. Mine is the Visa exchange rate +2.5%
I support Ilford because, I like their products.I'm wondering what people think about supporting certain brands that show dedication to film photography rather than purchasing from cheaper brands that likely won't be around for the duration. It may be easier to illustrate with an example than to explain it. Ilford is a company that has shown commitment to film photography throughout the years. However, you can buy film from some other brands at a considerably cheaper price on a regular basis. Do you pay the additional amount to support a company that is likely to be around until the end, or do you buy the cheaper film from a company that we'll say likely won't be in it for the long haul? Such is the dilemma that I'm in. I'd appreciate everyone's thoughts.
For many decades I relied on Kodak film and enjoyed their product information and general guides. They had three of the all-time great films: Kodachrome, Kodak High Speed Infrared, and Tech Pan. ...
I'd love a true orthochromatic film to experiment with now.
Ilford makes one.
This is the first time that I've heard hoarding film affects manufacturers. Could someone explain how it hurts these companies for me? On the face of it I'd think companies would benefit from someone having made a large purchase but obviously I'm missing something in the equation.Absolutely true. This is the worst thing people can do (and still harp on about here on Photrio as a panacea against future gloom). It really does put manufacturers in a bad place.
I think that theory is the difference between a huge burst of demand and sales income now with none for a while versus a continuous income and demand stream.This is the first time that I've heard hoarding film affects manufacturers. Could someone explain how it hurts these companies for me? On the face of it I'd think companies would benefit from someone having made a large purchase but obviously I'm missing something in the equation.
I can't see how one person who decides to buy a bunch of film could really cause a "huge burst" in sales. Even if that person bought 500 rolls it would only cause a blip in their overall worldwide sales. There's got to be more to the story. Plus, anybody who is stockpiling to future proof themselves against a possible product cancellation would likely buy a lot, freeze it, and then continue to buy more to use day to day. That way their "doomsday stash" isn't getting depleted while the company is still producing it for the moment. There's got to be more to that thought process.I think that theory is the difference between a huge burst of demand and sales income now with none for a while versus a continuous income and demand stream.
Quite common in Canada, I'm not aware of a Canadian card that doesn't add a surcharge. Mine is the Visa exchange rate +2.5%
This is the first time that I've heard hoarding film affects manufacturers. Could someone explain how it hurts these companies for me? On the face of it I'd think companies would benefit from someone having made a large purchase but obviously I'm missing something in the equation.
Seems to be a common thought here. People have a very high opinion of their purchasing power, forgetting that a film shoot goes through a roll of film every second. A film shoot uses more film in an hour than you'll shoot in 5 years if not 10.
It's not us, the guys who buy film from the shop who keep these companies going. It's walgreens, walmart, cvs, etc and etc who buy the film whether or not they sell. Walgreens throws out or sends back more film each month than you can imagine. We the end users are a drop in the bucket for likes of Kodak and Fuji. The smaller guys are more nimble so our purchasing means more to them.
Walgreens, CVS, Target.....all stopped carrying 35mm film years ago by me. I was in a Meier this weekend and the Kodak Printing Station (with 3 large printers) was all shut down, starting Jan. 1st of this year. Even the digital folks can't keep people employed. No one prints anymore.
Up here, all the versions of Walgreens we have no longer sell film, because they can't send it back if they don't sell it.Walgreens throws out or sends back more film each month than you can imagine.
I see the day where the manufacturers will have to deal with this..Up here, all the versions of Walgreens we have no longer sell film, because they can't send it back if they don't sell it.
And down in the USA Walgreens doesn't send it back to Kodak, because Kodak doesn't sell to anyone except distributors.
Once Kodak has sold it to the independent distributors, they have no further dealings with it.
I expect it is the same with Fuji.
In many ways the problems with the industry don't originate with the manufacturer, they originate with the distribution system. The manufacturers have had to offload distribution responsibilities, because volumes are too low for the manufacturers to attend to distribution themselves.
The Canadian photographic film distribution system is at the edge of collapse because there is so little film being purchased by end users. And the reasons for those low purchase numbers are high prices and lack of availability, both of which flow from the condition of the Canadian photographic film distribution system.
Charging .25 a print is not going to get the masses to print their cell phone shots. Have cheaper smaller prints and maybe the market will respond. 4x6 is nice but phones are almost that big these days. Why print when you can share your photo with 1,000 people in a second?
Up here, all the versions of Walgreens we have no longer sell film,
How about for posterity? I have photos from when my day was 5 years old in 1945. I doubt phone photos will be around in 75 years.
In the US I have not seen a Walgreens that sells or processes film in YEARS.
I support Ilford because, I like their products.
The Canadian photographic film distribution system is at the edge of collapse because there is so little film being purchased by end users. And the reasons for those low purchase numbers are high prices and lack of availability, both of which flow from the condition of the Canadian photographic film distribution system.
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