So weird. The directions on the bottle suggest 1+50 so this is only twice as diluted. Should be doing something no? What’s the keeping properties on a 3/4 full bottle? It’s not ancient. Will try and find out when I bought it.
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That's a very strong colour! How old is that developer? Mine is about 15yrs old, dark brown, crystals rolling around in the bottom and I don't get anything like what you have in terms of solution colour.
Is it possible the film was unexposed? There was a period when bulk loaded Tri-X had no edge markings, and you mention this was old film that had been standing around waiting for processing. Exposed leader portion would be the final determinant here -- if that didn't show some density, then there was no development at all. Even bad developer generally won't leave the exposed leader blank...
EDIT: Okay, I'd missed the leader piece standing in the jug. Yep, I agree, that developer is all done. Even at 1:100, you should see some darkening when developing leader in the light in no more than ten minutes, and full black in under twenty.
Seems like R09 doesn't do as well as the last version of Agfa Rodinal that was actually made by Agfa. Honestly, you'd be better off with Parodinal -- acetaminophen headache tablets (or powder, if you can get it at a good price), lye drain cleaner, and sodium sulfite. I used this for years, same times and dilutions as commercial Rodinal, went as high as 1:200 for microfilms, and the concentrate would work correctly when it was the color of Coca-Cola, six months or more after mixing with 200 ml in the bottom of a 600 ml glass jar. Had to be at least pink to work at all.
EDIT: Okay, I'd missed the leader piece standing in the jug. Yep, I agree, that developer is all done. Even at 1:100, you should see some darkening when developing leader in the light in no more than ten minutes, and full black in under twenty.
Seems like R09 doesn't do as well as the last version of Agfa Rodinal that was actually made by Agfa. Honestly, you'd be better off with Parodinal -- acetaminophen headache tablets (or powder, if you can get it at a good price), lye drain cleaner, and sodium sulfite. I used this for years, same times and dilutions as commercial Rodinal, went as high as 1:200 for microfilms, and the concentrate would work correctly when it was the color of Coca-Cola, six months or more after mixing with 200 ml in the bottom of a 600 ml glass jar. Had to be at least pink to work at all.
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I can’t actually find out how old it is. 4 years at least. Certainly not 15. No crystals in it. Thought it would keep better being 3/4 full. Does yours still work?
From what I've read with Agfa Rodinal before the bankruptcy, and experienced with my own Parodinal, it must have the crystals to keep. If R09 is coming without the crystals, that may be the problem...
when my bottle of Rodinal expired it produced solution that bright orange color when mixed 1+100. The new bottle produces a very, very light lavender solution at 1+100. Your developer is dead.
Yeah. Used it a fortnight ago. There's about 1/3 left and because the bottle is so stiff the air hasn't been squeezed out. It was made by compard and didn't come with crystals.
Thanks. Well that was a waste of a bottle. Maybe I should decant the next one into smaller bottles.
Years ago I bought some of the RO9 and it expired relatively quickly. Best bet is to buy the Adox 'Original Formula' stuff; it has significantly better shelf life.
This ^^. Get the Adox version if you can' t mix your own Parodinal. If you can get lye and sodium sulfite, I'd suggest mixing your own. I used to get my acetaminophen (might be labeled as paracetamol where you are) quite cheaply at a membership store, but even getting the generic at the local supermarket, and ordering the lye and sulfite from Amazon, I can process with Parodinal for six or seven cents a roll -- and if you mix at most half liter at a time, you'll use it up before it goes bad, even if you don't process much (it'll last at least six months, and I've had reports of more than a year).
Good that there were only 15 shots taken on it. I’m not sure of what. It does frustrate and send me spiralling that It’s unknown now. Same as when someone gave me a roll of old 116 film they found in a toolbox and I ruined it because I tried tray developing it not knowing Patterson reels could be expanded to take it at the time.
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I have this. So I can effectively make Rodinal? How close does it come to the original?
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There were crystals in the bottom, they just weren’t dislodged
An open bottle of R09 does not last 4 years. The original Agfa Rodinal can last decades and still work well. The Rollei-Compard R09 version (modern, which is what you have) does not last long once the bottle has some air space in it. Don't expect a 3/4 full bottle to last more than 2 years and remain reliable. Depending on storage conditions (exposure to light and/or high temperatures) that time may be reduced to as little as 12 months from the time you opened the bottle.
This modern replica of Rodinal does not have the same shelf life as the original formula. (I have a 1/3 full bottle of original Agfa Rodinal from 1984 and it still works, believe it or not) I strongly recommend that once the bottle has been open one year, you do an activity test on the prepared solution before actually using it on a roll of film. IE: clip a piece of leader and sit it in the diluted developer for at least 10 minutes to check for development. Only then should you use it on exposed film. With R09 I suggest you not dilute it more than 1:50 for reliable results.
A quote from the author of the article I linked to in a previous post:
"35mm/120 are likely doomed to fail with Stand development."
This is an observation based on the fact that Bromide drag will leave undesirable artifacts on the film (sprocket hole streaks) unless very specific agitation protocols are observed. (IE: semi-stand technique with specific agitation required. See the article in the link)
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As others said, R09 does not have the life of the traditional Rodinal. Sorry for your loss, hopefully it was of nothing important.
Also, be careful with a clip test. Once I did that with Diafine but didn't pay attention to the time or how dark the clip was - only that it did work. Needless to say, it was too weak and the negatives were extremely thin.
Also, be careful with a clip test. Once I did that with Diafine but didn't pay attention to the time or how dark the clip was - only that it did work. Needless to say, it was too weak and the negatives were extremely thin.
I'm surprized Cleveland water doesn't develop film on it's own, lol. I'm in Lorain Country, so we have Lorain Rural and Avon Lake water. I've used tap with Rodinal with no problems, but have gone to distilled for all my developers anyway, just to be safe.
This is the Adox Rodinal claim:
RODINAL is produced according to Agfa Leverkusen´s latest Rodinal* formula from 2004.
It does not get more Rodinal than this.
ADOX works together with former Agfa scientists on all Agfa-replacement products.
If you have used Agfa Rodinal* before you can achieve identical results with ADOX RODINAL.
Compared to R09/APH09 Rodinal works more fine grained while still enhancing sharpness and acutance.
So the claim is that it is not the same as R09 and if the top sentence is to be believed then I see no reason why it should not have the same legendary lifespan as the original Rodinal
Adox also sell it in a "baby" version of 100 ml which might be the way to go if anyone has concerns as to its lifespan compared to the original Rodinal
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RODINAL is produced according to Agfa Leverkusen´s latest Rodinal* formula from 2004.
It does not get more Rodinal than this.
ADOX works together with former Agfa scientists on all Agfa-replacement products.
If you have used Agfa Rodinal* before you can achieve identical results with ADOX RODINAL.
Compared to R09/APH09 Rodinal works more fine grained while still enhancing sharpness and acutance.
So the claim is that it is not the same as R09 and if the top sentence is to be believed then I see no reason why it should not have the same legendary lifespan as the original Rodinal
Adox also sell it in a "baby" version of 100 ml which might be the way to go if anyone has concerns as to its lifespan compared to the original Rodinal
pentxuser
That's pretty much the colour that a number of expired developers go - it's quite distinctive. Not going to suggest a comparative taste test however.
Isn't the water supposed to be flammable there?
To be fair, for much of the 20th Century you'd probably have dissolved pretty rapidly in the Rhine, or at least been dyed an interesting colour.
Yep. I have an eleven year old bottle of ADOX Adonal (Rodinal) that works just fine. Did some film in it in November. In general, buy ADOX and you won’t go wrong.
I partly grew up there. Now let’s be fair... The river only caught fire the one time. Lol
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Ah, no, it caught fire twice. The local underground newspaper in the 60's was called "The Burning River News."
The mayor ("Perk the Jerk") managed to set his hair on fire twice when visiting industrial firms for photo-ops.
The 60's were a very incendiary time, for sure.
According to the Smithsonian, the Cuyahoga River has apparently gone on fire a dozen times.
There's also a Twitter account counting the days since the river was last on fire.
And the images of the mayor with his hair on fire really do look like something out of Sultan & Mandel's "Evidence"...
There's also a Twitter account counting the days since the river was last on fire.
And the images of the mayor with his hair on fire really do look like something out of Sultan & Mandel's "Evidence"...
Good to know, thanks. User evidence with actual facts can at times be hard to come by
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I tried to have this discussion once. I hope you are wearing flame retardant.
i don’t think so. I’ve come across people using 50 year old bottles of Rodinal with no knowledge of how it was stored and it works fine. I know I read somewhere that someone was getting excellent results with a bottle of Rodinal that was made in the first few years of production, so nearly 100 years old.
I’ve been using Rodinal stand 1:100 in 500ml tanks on and off for 8 years with no issues. I’ve probably developed 150 rolls of film this way and I’ve never had a failure. My most recent results were a few months ago with a bottle of Rodinal purchased in 2013.
HC-110 has great longevity as well. The first bottle I bought was in 2015 but the shop owner who didn’t normally stock HC-110 said she knew for a fact it had been sitting there since the late 1980’s. I never had any issues with it either.
Maybe the issue is that the OP is using R09? I’ve always used Rodinal. I have bottles from 2013-2014 that say “Adox Adonal” newer bottles I have are labeled “Adox Rodinal.”
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I’ve tried it too. I just ignore the B.S. I know it works regardless of what the naysayers want to pander.
A I mentioned above maybe the issue is that the OP is using R09? I’ve always used Rodinal. I have bottles from 2013-2014 that say “Adox Adonal” newer bottles I have are labeled “Adox Rodinal.”
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