Some strange low-density spots on my film

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Do you have a record of the batch number or whether it was made by Sino Promise or Photo Systems Inc.? I suggest you do NOT buy any Xtol made by Sino Promise, as they effed up a lot of the Kodak branded chemistry.

PSI manufactured it. Humorously, maybe Sino version developer ran out all my luck, since all my Sino Xtol work well from beginning to the end XD

 
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Bad news, except Foma Excel, all ascorbic acid base developers are unavailable.

Edit: I can get Lucky HB-17, an ascorbic acid developer
 

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It was pointed out in the OP!

You're right, I overlooked that.

Bad news, except Foma Excel, all ascorbic acid base developers are unavailable.
Ah, that's a pity. Perhaps self-mixing is an option for you? I understand if it isn't for various practical reasons, but if you are willing to go there - it's quite easy to mix up a DIY variant of XTOL. It may/will not have the same keeping properties of the commercial product, but that's perhaps less of a concern if you can mix it fresh whenever you need it. For me, this has been quite a satisfactory way of working.
 
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Yeah, I can mix some Mytol, and DTPA is easy to get
 

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I'd definitely give that a try. Btw, I don't use a chelating agent when I mix it. I just mix, use right away and then discard. That way, whatever iron ions float about don't have the time to create any problems.
 

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Yup, you have a bad batch of Xtol.
 

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Bad news, except Foma Excel, all ascorbic acid base developers are unavailable.

Edit: I can get Lucky HB-17, an ascorbic acid developer

Yes, but there are any number of published ascorbic-based developers you can mix up yourself, thereby controlling the quality and repeatability of the goods
 
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Bad news, except Foma Excel, all ascorbic acid base developers are unavailable.

Edit: I can get Lucky HB-17, an ascorbic acid developer

Perhaps start making Mytol yourself? Or better still, FX-55, another Ascorbate developer. You can make FX-55 as two stock solutions plus the Ascorbate, which is added into the solution when the working solution is mixed. (The Phenidone is made as a separate stock solution in Glycol, to make it far easier to dissolve and dispense) It may sound complicated, but it's actually very, very simple, and the results are identical to Xtol. (but hopefully without the flaws you've observed))

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FX-55_(film_developer)

As Chuck wisely states, you can control the quality and repeatability of your developers if you take the matter into your own hands.
 
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Thanks, I'll try. I usually mix special developers which I only occasionally use, like POTA, CD4-LC and D8.
 
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Thanks, I'll try. I usually mix special developers which I only occasionally use, like POTA, CD4-LC and D8.

Paul recommended Mytol or FX-55. I've not used FX-55, but have used Mytol and it's a good developer. If I had your problem of not being able to source a certain developer I'd certainly look to making my own. One other homemade developer I would check out would be PC-512. It's a Phenidone, ascorbic acid, propylene glycol, borax developer that is simple to make, pretty darn safe, easy to use and has a very long shelf life. Just search on this forum for PC-512. I only make suggestions on things I have personally used and I have used and like PC-512 very much. Check it out and see if it fits your needs.
 
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I decide to test US patent 5853964. Looking for more info about DTPA content and waiting for PSI's reply now
 

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Maybe it's solid particles surrounded by a bubble for some physical reason. That would explain the similarity to air bells.
 
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Good news, I finish mixing. If test result is nice, I'm going to switch to industrial chemicals which can reduce plenty of cost. These AR chemicals cost about CNY11 per L($1.53), includes distilled water. DTPA-5Na and sodium isoascorbate cost nearly 50% of all cost. If I use industrial level, it will only take me ¥4.486/L($0.62). Nice
 
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Failure! Those ghost spots still there! But ahhh... I think I should add some antifoam, since lots of foam erupted when developing finish. And this developer, if use Xtol's process time, will provide a underexposed and low density negtive
 

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Is it with the same film as before? Are you using distilled water for mixing your developer? It could be the film itself, but that sounds strange.
 

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A few years ago, I had two 100-foot rolls of RPX25 that also showed these “spots.” The material was stored at -21°C (like all my photographic materials). It was not stored beyond the warranty period. I discarded it and never used RPX25 again.

Neither pre-wetting (with and without wetting agent) nor the use of different developers helped to eliminate the problem.



My two 100-foot rolls were simply junk.
 

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That's why I ask if it was the same film. Chasing a developer problem might just be barking up the wrong tree, so to speak.
 
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Is it with the same film as before? Are you using distilled water for mixing your developer? It could be the film itself, but that sounds strange.

This film is absolutely perfect, I used Rodinal and didn't see any problem yesterday. And of course distilled water.
 
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Quite nice. Rodinal 1+100+2g sodium isoascorbate/L
 

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Then it must be a developer "style or type" problem. If things are fine with Rodinal and not with a Vitamin C type developer then there has to be a reason why. I'd start looking at your water quality if you're not using distilled water. Maybe something in your water doesn't like something in your Vitamin C style developer. Maybe Rodinal doesn't care what's in your water? If you use distilled water for all the steps in your developing process I don't know where else to look for the problem. What I'm saying is if you're not using distilled water I'd certainly give that a try since it would be a pretty cheap fix. I wish you luck!
 
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