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Snowy Alpine Scenes: General Thoughts

Incident light meters are really the way to go in the snow. Unfortunately outside of places like APUG Photrio, most people never heard of them.

Well you could use a gray card and reflective meter.
 
pretty much every Sekonic meter (what the OP is using) i've seen has the option for taking incident readings.

But he didn't say if his Sekonic also took reflective readings.
 
Alan, pretty much any Sekonic will..... even the 398 if you use the lumigrid
 
Alan....it doesn't matter what camera he's using....
 
As noted without knowing what film, camera, metering or if OP has a hand held meter it is only possible to give very general answers. So in general, if a older camera with an average meter, as already recommended use palm of free hand as a gray card, second assume that with lots of snow figure that the scene will be underexposed by 1 stop. If camera has a spot meter meter the main subject, such as hiker, skier, building, tree ect. If newer camera with matrix metering assume that the meter will correctly read the scene. If a hand held meter with incident mode, meter the scene with meter at the subject facing the camera. If OP think he/she thinks she/he has a very important shot, bracket.
 

" (I’m taking a sekonic)"......
 
Yes he did...something you don't have in New Jersey....

I believe Alan meant what, not where...

Some good advice all around. This image was found while wandering around in the snow in the upper Mono Lake basin a bit snow-blind -- I ended up with the darkcloth over my head, peering thru a slit. Almost stepped on the skull -- I had to get at least this close to exclude my bootprint.

Pentax Digital Spot readings: snow 18, skull in sun 17, darkest on skull 14. Given one extra stop exposure for bellows extention (as insurance, and certainly did not hurt). So exposed at 16 plus 100% for bellows (f64 @ 1/4 sec), 150mm lens, TMax100. Developed normally in HC-110.

The photo is a decent reproduction of the 16x20 print (from 4x5 negative, 1991) printed on Grade 3 Ilford Gallerie.
 

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Nice photo Vaughn.... I thought it was pretty clear the OP was going to the Alps and was seeking " advice for metering in high glare snow scenes." & he was taking a Sekonic meter along....
 
Well you could use a gray card and reflective meter.

Most people do not walk around with an 18% gray card in their pocket, but they usually have the palm of their hand available, even if it is in a glove.
 

Many thanks from a snowy london!
 

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Really useful tip. Thanks!
 
Thanks, Greg. Has the 'what' question been answered yet? (metering for transparency film vs B&W neg would require different approaches).

But my example does show that sunlit snow scenes are not necessarily high contrast, and minus development is not a given.

OP -- greetings from a rainy Humboldt! Great image!
 
You have time to do a quick test roll...bracket and pick the best neg.

Love the graghics on theback of my Rollei!

Lols……a reasonable excuse to look up the cost of Rollei’s in Austria!
 

Yep I’m taking a tank with me and my little light box so I will be scanning negs whilst away!
 

I was packing ID-11….. I’ll do some digging on comp developers…
 
It would have been more helpful if we knew his camera type, film, and type of meter.

And we do have snow in New Jersey, if not mountains. Beach too.

An old Canon New F1…..but I prefer to test my sekonic 608 …..
 
Thank you all so much for your replies on this! Some really helpful ideas!!!
 
Yep I’m taking a tank with me and my little light box so I will be scanning negs whilst away!

Great! And you will be able to try a different exposures and see how things scan! There use to be developing chemicals made in pill form. Dissolve a pill and developer! Another pill, fixer! I have been on months-long trips without feedback on how everything is working...makes one a little nervous...especially since it has bit me in the bum.
 
Lols……a reasonable excuse to look up the cost of Rollei’s in Austria!

The word on the street is that Hasselblad work in Austria too.
 

That’s really useful. Thankyou. It’s started snowing here in london this evening so I may yet get to practice before I head off!
 

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Gray cards are basically useless in high contrast snow scenes where you need to know right where the highlight and shadows themselves need to land on the overall film curve. First of all, select a film with a long contrast range like TMax or perhaps Foma 200. Second, unless you've practiced with this film under similar lighting before, and have already learned to develop it properly, expect a rough learning curve with a lot of bellyflop shots. With roll film, you can experiment with bracketing, but that's no guarantee. Metering? Unless you have a real spot meter and know how to use it, then you really need some experience. I've shot extreme contrast mountain and ice scenes for decades in various formats up to 8x10. It's not all that hard once you get used to it. But expect to waste quite a bit of film until you do.

I can't address specifics unless I know exactly what kind of film and development you have in mind, and the actual manner of metering.
 
Sirius - yep. Hassies work great on the streets of Austria, cause nobody can trust em in the mountains. Real climbers need to know which direction is up, and which down, and how can you do that without a view camera where everything you look at is properly upside down to begin with?