To get 16 bit scanning with Silverfast you have to upgrade to Ai or Studio. Silverfast SE and SE+ are 16>8, 48>24 for RGB all versions.
I definitely wouldn't use (or pay for) Silverfast if I can just download Epson Scan.
If SF is more clunky, how can it also be more straightforward than Epsonscan?My V800 came with both. I evaluated both, and very rapidly switched to SilverFast. The interface is a bit clunky at first, but it's more straightforward, and easier to customize on a per-frame basis while still handling batch scanning.
SF that came with my V850 was a loss leader. SF forces you to upgrade at additional cost because the SF version that comes with the scanner does not handle 16 bit or ColorNeg. The other thing is if you do most of your edits in post with PS or LR, which I recommend, you don't need a fancy scan program. Doing edits for the scan locks in the results. If you want to change anything, you have to rescan which is a waste of time. Other than black and white points (levels) I save all other edits with Lightroom after the scan. Why spend all that time learning SF which is basically another editing program?You could try using the version of SF that you have, long enough to learn how to use it, sans 16 bit. Then do the same with the Epson software (does it do 16 bit?)
If you can appreciate the difference between the functionality in the two software programs, then buy the upgrade (my experience is like shutterfinger and grat). I think I upgraded with what came with my Epson V 850 Pro for a bit less or more than $100 USD.
For me, the difference in SF over Epson (which I used for almost 2 decades with an older scanner (4990?) is so significant to me it was an easy decision. (Like working on a car with a box full of tools vs a hammer, pair of pliers, and a screwdriver.)
Everyone is different - some can work on a car with a hammer, pair of pliers, and a screwdriver and do everything they want. (and maybe some vise-grips)
If SF is more clunky, how can it also be more straightforward than Epsonscan?
The interface is a bit clunky at first,
I would have thought the subordinate clause would have made it apparent that initially, the interface is somewhat clunky, but after use and understanding, it is much easier to use than Epson Scan.
My last marriage was clunky too, at first.Further, the version of SilverFast (SE) that came with my V800 did in fact, handle Color Negatives, and while you couldn't create your own color curves, most of the existing curves in Negafix worked just fine, so I'm not sure why you say it can't do ColorNeg.
There is some confusion as to whether it can create 16 bit greyscale, and frankly, I'd rather not downgrade my software to find out. I do note that early Epson scans in my archives claim to be 16 bit grayscale, but only contain 256 unique bits.
Finally, SilverFast is not an editing program.
I don't understand the difference. Could you clarify?Silverfast SE 8 and 9 supports 48/16 bit RAW data. The AI Studio supports 48/16 bit images.
It is in their comparison charts :I don't understand the difference. Could you clarify?
Not quite an answer to your question but if you can see noise and/or grain in the 8 bit scans then you won't actually gain anything useful by scanning in 16 bit. The noise and/or grain will effectively act as dithering, which will eliminate banding, which is the main theoretical objection against 8 bit scanning. Another theoretical objection is the (related) issue of dynamic range. However, the same comment (effective dithering effect) applies here as well.Hi:
I've had my Bronica GS-1 for just shy of a year and am finally getting to work on scanning the 12 or so B&W rolls I've developed. My computer was purchased as a Win10 machine but I've added Linux to a separate partition so I'm running both (at different times of course). My father, before he passed away, gifted me his Epson V600 that I'm running on Win10 (because Linux film scanning isn't that great at the moment). I tried Epson Scan software and it worked but something made me want to try something different. VueScan was better and then I tried the free Silverfast 8 and it is great, I'll probably buy version 9 SE or SE Plus.
However, in version 8, the grey scale option is shown as 16->8bit. I'm quite happy with the scans but I'd really like to scan to 16bit GS, not 8bit.
Does anyone know if version 9 scans to 16bit?
Thanks
What is the difference between RAW data and images?Silverfast SE 8 and 9 supports 48/16 bit RAW data. The AI Studio supports 48/16 bit images.
I scan my V850 at 16 bits and notice I can see what looks like grain in Tmax 400 but not Tmax 100. What does that mean relative to your point?Not quite an answer to your question but if you can see noise and/or grain in the 8 bit scans then you won't actually gain anything useful by scanning in 16 bit. The noise and/or grain will effectively act as dithering, which will eliminate banding, which is the main theoretical objection against 8 bit scanning. Another theoretical objection is the (related) issue of dynamic range. However, the same comment (effective dithering effect) applies here as well.
However, after an 8 bit scan you should convert the image to 16 bit using your image processing software before doing any manipulation of the image. Otherwise processing artifacts can creep into the image due to roundoff errors.
What is the difference between RAW data and images?
Thanks for your post. So SF Ai Studio can not give you RAW (flat) files where no adjustments are done before the scan? Do you have to upgrade to SF 8 or 9? I have SF that came with my V850. But I've been using Epsonscan since I'm familiar with it and have used it for ten years with my previous scanner, an Epson V600. I basically do edits after the scan in Lightroom.I certainly can't speak to what fs999 meant by his/her comment, but I've used Silverfast software for all my scanning needs for over 20 years and my understanding is that raw data (what Silverfast refers to as HDR raw) is a linear, uncorrected file (similar to a raw file from a digital camera), while "images" to me would be gamma-encoded, color corrected output for downstream editing. Typically, with Silverfast HDR raw one must first do a conversion with something like Silverfast HDR software, ColorPerfect plugin (Photoshop), or NegativeLabPro (Lightroom.) Then, final editing is completed, as needed. Does this help?
Thanks for your post. So SF Ai Studio can not give you RAW (flat) files where no adjustments are done before the scan? Do you have to upgrade to SF 8 or 9? I have SF that came with my V850. But I've been using Epsonscan since I'm familiar with it and have used it for ten years with my previous scanner, an Epson V600. I basically do edits after the scan in Lightroom.
The important thing is whether there is noise in the scan. The noise could come from a combination of film grain and other sources. The other sources could include (but not limited to) sensor noise or even shot noise.I scan my V850 at 16 bits and notice I can see what looks like grain in Tmax 400 but not Tmax 100. What does that mean relative to your point?
(If you click on the images they will zoom in to see the detail better in the skies)
4x5 Tmax 400 at 16 bits https://www.flickr.com/photos/alank...43ZPF-2k44Fak-2k43ZPq-2jcarE6-2jcbMjA-2jcbMiJ
4x5 Tmax 100 at 16 bits https://www.flickr.com/photos/alanklein2000/49843392888/in/album-72157714124881023/
You will have to ask LaserSoft Imaging or look at their site. I don't know the difference, I have SF9 Ai Studio...What is the difference between RAW data and images?
Alan, this is a very interesting response. When I scan black and white negatives, I always use 16 bit, and sometimes do see what looks like noise in the shadow areas. This is worst with thin negatives. My Plustek 7600i scanner allows for multi scan, which is supposed to reduce noise. I am not sure how effective it is. My Minolta Scan Multi scanner lets you choose one, two, four, eight, and 16 multi-passes. I usually use four, but even here, I am not sure how effective it is in reducing noise, or if I am really seeing anything different. I use Silverfast 8 to operate both units.Anyway, a lot of scanner reviews talk about the existence of noise in the shadows. This probably comes mostly from some combination of sensor noise and shot noise.
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