Signature Color film- so it's an ECN II process?

[cmacd123]

Can you show the edge print and any markings between the perfs?

 

[MattKing]

OK, just got my computer back.
it's late, I'm tired, and hopefully the color balances are pretty good, but here's a random sample. the whole thing was shot at iso 40 View attachment 280432 View attachment 280433 View attachment 280434
they all turned out real nice, it'll be interesting to see what the 100 looks like

First - all of your photos look really neat;
Second - and this is where a rant starts - how can we tell whether the results you have obtained are good when the subjects of your photos appear to be strongly coloured, highly saturated painted subjects where we have no idea what the paint looks like in real life?!
Rant ended, and best wishes extended.

 

[TheGreatGasMaskMan]

Can you show the edge print and any markings between the perfs?

Can you show the edge print and any markings between the perfs?

I'll post that on monday.

First - all of your photos look really neat;
Second - and this is where a rant starts - how can we tell whether the results you have obtained are good when the subjects of your photos appear to be strongly coloured, highly saturated painted subjects where we have no idea what the paint looks like in real life?!
Rant ended, and best wishes extended.

I'll share some of the more subdued samples tonight after work (I was pretty tired last night and for whatever reason decided I wanted to share some of the more vibrant ones)

 

[TheGreatGasMaskMan]

 

[TheGreatGasMaskMan]

Alright, it's been a while but I shot the 100 roll in August and just color corrected the frames.
I think it's safe to say since it really is a movie print film and is twenty plus years expired the colors are going to be... a bit different.

 

[Auer]

Excellent results.

ECN2 is pretty cool, I use it too with regular color film, and bleach bypass.

 

[cmacd123]

that looks like regular C41 colour negative film to me.

 

[FS0072]

Just got the 200 roll processed, but I don’t have my computer, so I’ll show you how it turned out once I get my laptop back.

hoping to shoot the 100 in the near future

I have 5 rolls of Signature film (400 ASA-20) that I shot 20 years ago. Life was very busy for me then and they ended up in the back of a drawer. After 7 years, during a move, I discovered them. I have tried off and on since then to find someone who could develop them but with no luck. I keep being told that this film takes a special kind of processing. I decided last week to try one more time to find someone who could develop this film and discovered this Forum. I have found this to be interesting reading and have learned a lot. My question to you is, would you be so kind to share with me where you got your rolls processed so I can make contact to see if they can develop mine? Also, after being exposed for twenty years, would the pictures still be any good or am I just wasting my time and money? P.S. my canisters say made in Germany. Would it still be ECN II?

 

[AgX]

ECN-2 films were never coated in Germany. And to my knowledge never originally sold as made in Germany.

 

[foc]

A 400 speed film from the late 1990s early 2000s and made in Germany sounds like a private label/own brand C41 film made by Agfa.

 

[TheGreatGasMaskMan]

I have 5 rolls of Signature film (400 ASA-20) that I shot 20 years ago. Life was very busy for me then and they ended up in the back of a drawer. After 7 years, during a move, I discovered them. I have tried off and on since then to find someone who could develop them but with no luck. I keep being told that this film takes a special kind of processing. I decided last week to try one more time to find someone who could develop this film and discovered this Forum. I have found this to be interesting reading and have learned a lot. My question to you is, would you be so kind to share with me where you got your rolls processed so I can make contact to see if they can develop mine? Also, after being exposed for twenty years, would the pictures still be any good or am I just wasting my time and money? P.S. my canisters say made in Germany. Would it still be ECN II?

There's four labs in North America that will process ECN II, this is the one I used-
https://www.thecamerashop.com/imagecenter/seattle.html

so long as your film was well kept, you still should get images off them.
could you also show us what your canisters look like?

 

[Donald Qualls]

Here's one thing: ECN-2 film will produce images (with slight color shifts) in C-41 chemistry, and vice versa. Even C-22 films will give a color image, if the emulsion stays on (they were intended to process at, IIRC, 85F instead of 100F) and they get a formalin stabilizer bath -- and C-41 has been around for at least 40 years. So if the film doesn't have remjet, you'll get something from any current color negative process (unless it's pre-C-41 Agfacolor).

 

[TheGreatGasMaskMan]

Future project- get some more signature color rolls and cross them in e6

 

[TheGreatGasMaskMan]

I have 5 rolls of Signature film (400 ASA-20) that I shot 20 years ago. Life was very busy for me then and they ended up in the back of a drawer. After 7 years, during a move, I discovered them. I have tried off and on since then to find someone who could develop them but with no luck. I keep being told that this film takes a special kind of processing. I decided last week to try one more time to find someone who could develop this film and discovered this Forum. I have found this to be interesting reading and have learned a lot. My question to you is, would you be so kind to share with me where you got your rolls processed so I can make contact to see if they can develop mine? Also, after being exposed for twenty years, would the pictures still be any good or am I just wasting my time and money? P.S. my canisters say made in Germany. Would it still be ECN II?

I also just realized, maybe you have this:

so technically it's a c41 film with costco label, made by AGFA. there's a lot of other Kirkland signature stuff, not just film.

 

[Donald Qualls]

so technically it's a c41 film with costco label, made by AGFA.

Over time, Kirkland Signature film has been made by Fuji also -- but you won't mistake "Made in Germany" for "Made in Japan". All the Kirkland Signature I've seen, however, was clearly marked as C-41.

 

[cmacd123]

ECN-2 films were never coated in Germany. And to my knowledge never originally sold as made in Germany.

Technically, Agfa made theirs in Belgium... All the signs I see isthat the original Poster on their thread has some sort of Film made for stills and NOT an ECN or ECN2 film. It may be something like Agfa CNS which is not a C41 film.

 

[foc]

It may be something like Agfa CNS which is not a C41 film.

Agfa CNS film was 80ASA. They changed to C41 in the late 1970s and their first film was 400ASA speed and to add to the confusion they called their new C41 400 ASA film.... Agfa CNS 400. (so it wasn't the CNS process but C41)
The OP's film is 400 ASA speed.

 

[AgX]

I have 5 rolls of Signature film (400 ASA-20) that I shot 20 years ago. I keep being told that this film takes a special kind of processing. My canisters say made in Germany. Would it still be ECN II?

ECN-2 films have BH perforation, which is obviously different from the KS perforation today found on still films. A BH perforation on your film would indicate a cine film.

The same indicator would be a REM-jet backlayer. (Kodachrome aside).

 

[TheGreatGasMaskMan]

OK...
there is a 400 speed signature color film, but I didn't have one. I had a 200 and 100 speed roll.
second, my films were made in Italy, not Germany.

I think FS0072 has some old Kirkland signature branded agfa film which labs are confusing for my above mentioned films.

 

[foc]

but I didn't have one. I had a 200 and 100 speed roll.
second, my films were made in Italy, not Germany.

That would suggest that they are made by Ferrania and the speeds of 100 & 200 ASA suggests that they are C41. I don't think Ferrania made any ECN-2 film (in that time period).

 

[AgX]

I have 5 rolls of Signature film (400 ASA-20) that I shot 20 years ago. I keep being told that this film takes a special kind of processing. My canisters say made in Germany. Would it still be ECN II?

In case it got BH perforations: ASA 400 cine films were not that many, though for marketing reasons that might have been faked.
My guess would be last stocks of Agfa XTS 400 that for marketing reason was labelled as coming from Germany.

 

[TheGreatGasMaskMan]

That would suggest that they are made by Ferrania and the speeds of 100 & 200 ASA suggests that they are C41. I don't think Ferrania made any ECN-2 film (in that time period).

It's been established these are most likely cine or duplicating films- ECNII without the rem jet

 

[FS0072]

There's four labs in North America that will process ECN II, this is the one I used-
https://www.thecamerashop.com/imagecenter/seattle.html

so long as your film was well kept, you still should get images off them.
could you also show us what your canisters look like?

There's four labs in North America that will process ECN II, this is the one I used-
https://www.thecamerashop.com/imagecenter/seattle.html

so long as your film was well kept, you still should get images off them.
could you also show us what your canisters look like?

 

[FS0072]

I have 4 rolls that have two sets of ID numbers and 1 roll with a single ID number. (See pictures) All of these rolls were gotten from Skrudland Photo out of Austin TX. Sorry to say I did not purchase any Kirkland rolls. Thanks for all of your replies. I greatly appreciate your assistance.

 

[Bronson Dugnutt]

Retrieve the leader and do a clip test to determine if the anti-halation backing is dye or silver.

If it can be confirmed as ECN-2 sans remjet then you may have in your possession the forebear of ORWO's upcoming color offering.