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Do you know if there is USA-based wholesaler/source of this film? I'd like to try it, in the Mamiya 645AFD II, but I don't like dealing with international shipping, if I can help it.
https://shop.shjcfilm.com/collections/b-w-negative/products/shanghai-gp3-100-220
New version and fresh 220, fixed old 400 220 backing paper and emulsion issue
Do you know if there is USA-based wholesaler/source of this film? I'd like to try it, in the Mamiya 645AFD II, but I don't like dealing with international shipping, if I can help it.
I do not trust it based on your initial reports and lack of need of 220 film.
It's a shame that you are unwilling to spend $8 on a roll of 120 and find out for yourself, but instead trust the noise on the internet.
I guess curiosity, independence and free will are things of the past for some.
Butt hay - Photrio! New things BAD!
I do not trust it based on your initial reports and lack of need of 220 film.
It's a shame that you are unwilling to spend $8 on a roll of 120 and find out for yourself, but instead trust the noise on the internet.
I guess curiosity, independence and free will are things of the past for some.
Butt hay - Photrio! New things BAD!
There is nothing wrong with Ilford's quality. You are just twisted out of shape because you had a few roll of 120 with paper problems. All the film manufactures had the same problem at the same time.
Whatever is in the GP3 box, las long as the boxes have the same emulsion number printed on, ist must be the same material.
I did receive 2 different films with same emulsion number on the box.
Was it an oversight, or is it a business model? Who knows ....
Shanghai GP3 100 (220) is like a grab bag.
I purchased 10 GP3 220 in November 2022 and 10 GP3 220 in December 2022.
All 20 films have the same data on the boxes (Emulsion number: 3101 - Develop before: 2024-02).
The first 8 films (November delivery) I used behaved like FOMApan 100 ( see my post #236 in this thread ).
But ...
Yesterday I developed film the 9th film and it was total different to the 8 other films.
The color of the water used to pre-soak had been light green for the fist 8 films. The color was dark gray-blue on film #9.
The film requieres different developing times than the first 8 films.
And ... The film had a bright, looped stripe in the middle of the film over its entire length.
Since I was uncertain, I performed another test. I exposed a film from the December delivery with a gray card (Zone I to Zone X at 100 ASA). I split the film in half and developed both halves in separate tanks. One film with ATOMAL 49 and one film with FX39. The results were exactly the same as with film 9. There was no FOMApan 100 like film and the error in the emulsion was also present.
I think I will dispose of the remaining films.
As much as I like 220 format films, I will not be using "exotic" films in the future.
Farewell Shanghai GP3 !
How could Foma 100 get into Shanghai GP3 boxes?
All I know is that if I want Foma 100, I'll buy Foma 100. If I want Shanghai GP3, I'll buy Shanghai GP3.
At a higher price than Foma original film, which means the market for Kosmo and the B&W Lomography branded films rather odd.Lomography Earl Grey and Lady Grey film is Fomapan, Kosmo Foto Mono is Fomapan......
At a higher price than Foma original film, which means the market for Kosmo and the B&W Lomography branded films rather odd.
Maybe just on the 'official way', John: Shanghai bought the film from Foma for own confectioning and rebranding.
At least it is well-known for years that Foma is delivering their films to rebranding companies: Arista EDU is Fomapan, Lomography Earl Grey and Lady Grey film is Fomapan, Kosmo Foto Mono is Fomapan......
+1.
Best regards,
Henning
Henning,
Thanks for the very clear explanation, it sucks, but it is what it is I guess. All I wanted was to buy GP3 film that was made exactly like the last GP3 film I used several years ago. My GP3 arrives today, and I'll know one way or the other if it's the same.
It used to be, when a company had a very good or excellent product, they wouldn't let anyone rebrand or even copy it. Now, when a company has a good product, they may decide for cost reasons or more profit reasons to just put some other companies inferior product in their well respected wrapper. HAVE THEY NO SHAME! I guess not. It all boils down to how many pennies they can fill their pockets with and what we are willing to turn a blind eye too.
I'm sure glad and can't wait for that study to come out as to what films are really put into those film wrappers and boxes. This whole film rebranding thing is a big fiasco. I might be the only one, but I won't pay more for any rebranded film when I can buy the real thing. The problem with Shanghai GP3 is that this was and is supposed to be a real film company that "USED" to make its own film. So you actually think you are buying "real" GP3 "made in China" film
I wish we could get that nice Chinese fellow that claimed to be a representative for Shanghai Films to come back on Photrio and explain to us how this film is manufactured in China. Hmmmm, where is he now?
Henning,
Thanks for the very clear explanation,
Please let us know then.it sucks, but it is what it is I guess. All I wanted was to buy GP3 film that was made exactly like the last GP3 film I used several years ago. My GP3 arrives today, and I'll know one way or the other if it's the same.
I'm sure glad and can't wait for that study to come out as to what films are really put into those film wrappers and boxes.
This whole film rebranding thing is a big fiasco. I might be the only one, but I won't pay more for any rebranded film when I can buy the real thing.
The problem with Shanghai GP3 is that this was and is supposed to be a real film company that "USED" to make its own film. So you actually think you are buying "real" GP3 "made in China" film
I wish we could get that nice Chinese fellow that claimed to be a representative for Shanghai Films to come back on Photrio and explain to us how this film is manufactured in China.
It would be perfectly reasonable if Shanghai saw a quality or consistency or even cost advantage to switch which raw film stock they are using when they supply their specialized (220, 620, 127 etc.) confectioning and distribution services.
But if they do so, they really should rebrand the product - at least slightly!
GP3-b, GP3-2, GP4?
At a higher price than Foma original film, which means the market for Kosmo and the B&W Lomography branded films rather odd.
John, no problem at all, you're welcome.
Please let us know then.
It is a real "film community project", and everyone who has experience in film testing can join in. It would be very nice if you and Klaus could add your test results to the final data base!
Completely reasonable and understandable.
Real film factories with own emulsion making and coating need a certain size. I know for sure, as I have visited several film factories. And even the smallest ones have a size which cannot be "hidden" somewhere.
The existence of e.g. Film Ferrania, ADOX, FilmoTec, Inovisproject can be aesily confirmed by going to these factory locations. And in most cases those companies who are active in production try also to emphasize that and show pictures or videos about the production or the factory. If you don't get any of that it can be a hint that a real own production does not exist.
Well, it is not a 100% evidence, but a hint.......
Looking at the Shanghai homepage there is at least no information about own emulsion making and coating. If they would have it, it would be at least very reasonable to present that in the current market situation.
Best regards,
Henning
I just wanted some 220 film. If it is FOMA 100 in different branding, I did pay for one roll of Shanghai GP3 220 the same price as for 3 120 rolls of FOMA 100. For the special film format (220) this price difference seems aceptable to me.
But having two different film types in boxes with the same emulsion numbers, is absolut not aceptable.
The FOMA backing paper is whithe with deep black frame numbers.
I do expect Shanghai is using its own backing paper independed which material is rolled in the backing paper.
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