Resurrection of MCC progressing

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mirko, how do you reccommended we dry them? the only way i can think of is to hang them up in a darkroom or maybe to stick the sheets in a papersafe?
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This was indeed ment for drying the paper after processing.

But by now the paper should be fit for hot press drying as well. When I wrote this about four weeks ago we thought that we could get the samples out earlier.

The hardeners need 4-6 weeks to stabilize the paper. Now the samples should be in respect to any photographic parameters within final values.

But still we are interested if any problems occur under certain drying conditions. This can all be changed if necessary.

We are now on former Agfa´s known level. We can go further from here if we need to.

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Mirko
 

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HA it arrived today. And I was printing at my darkroom at the time so I've printed already two sheets of the testpackage.
Outcome Wonderfull awsome nice paper.
I'm drying like i'm drying normal fibre paper. on a glassplate taped down with aquarell tape.

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Mirko, if it takes 4 - 6 weeks to stabilze the paper hardness, then tests from week 1 - 6, then 10, 14, 18, and 22 (a five - six month test) would be useful to determine if there is a delta speed, contrast or fog.

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Tried a sheet of the sample, a straight print of a shot I previously printed on Agfa MCC111. Same filtration (although Adox do not supply any info on this) as Agfa, you probably need to work out your own anyway. Pretty promising results. Not the same tone as Forte PWT but with further work - ??.
First impressions are that this is a really good paper!!
Thanks Mirko,
Regards,
John.
 

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I did 4 prints Saturday on the new paper. For every print I made on the new paper, I did one with the same exposure time and development time (in the same tray, just after the first) on a sheet of Agfa MCC111 from a package I still have... Two of them were done without a MG filter, one with a soft grade filter (no1) and one with a hard one (no5). All of them were developed in Tetenal Eukobrom 1+9 for 1.5 min @ 24 deg Celcius... They were air dried on screens.

The new paper seems very close to the old one. The most significant differences I see are:

- it seems a little more contrasty, and a little colder.

- the paper base is whiter. (there might be some "yellowing" of the paper base of the old paper, due to its age ????)

Otherwise, the new paper seems to behave just like the old one. The above differences are not BIG, but they are visible to the trained eye...

It seems like a quite lovable MG (VC) paper, on a heavy and bright paper base that does not curl too much after the drying and handles well in the chemicals. I haven't tested its behaviour in toners (I'll soon do that) or in different developers (I need more paper for this...). I just hope it won't have an "ilford MG V" type of behaviour (I mean that it won't tone and it won't differ, whatever bloody soup you use for it...).

I think that Mirko's experiment is a highly succesful one, and hope that it'll meet the commercial success it merits...

Good luck with it, and thank you for letting us be the beta-testers....
 

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I received my packet today, thanks Mirko. I'll start printing tonight.

How many sheets are in the packet, 10?
 

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A package from Fotoimpex arrived at my place in Sydney today. I'm looking forward to trying this out over the next week.
 

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Phenominal. MC111 glossy was my favorite paper. Glad to see it coming back from the dead.


HL
 

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Mattg said:
Thanks George, it seems you found the speed to be very close to the old 111. Do you have an ISO value to point me in the right direction?

Thanks, Matt.
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I am afraid I don't have it, unless it is mentioned in some product technical info from the ones that I keep somewhere... I'll have a look..
 

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It would really be interesting to hear from someone that used their samples to lith-print a neg... just to see how the new MCC reacts to lith developers... I don't have any more paper to try it...

Wolfgang seems to have had success with toners, I'll try it in selenium and - later - in Sepia to see how it goes...
 

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George Papantoniou said:
It would really be interesting to hear from someone that used their samples to lith-print a neg... just to see how the new MCC reacts to lith developers... I don't have any more paper to try it...
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Hi George,

I only used one of the five sheets I got to do a comparison between the original MCC and the ADOX MCC. So far the original looks more warmtone, maybe because of the whiter base of the ADOX. I like the ADOX look more because of the whiter base. As of contrast, exposure and development time it is hard for me to tell a difference between the two papers.

The rest of the samples is reserved for lith printing. I will have a chance to try this tomorrow evening. It will be tough to test this with only four sheets. My first try was with the original MCC to get a starting point for the ADOX paper, but then I realized that the original paper I have access to is of an older batch which did not lith print (according to Wolfgang Moersch. I should have read more on his web site :rolleyes So I will report about my findings for the ADOX MCC next week and probably show a scan of the results (if there are any).

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Got my sample on Friday...did my first prints yesterday. Apart from the difference in base colour (which is clearly stated by Fotoimpex) Adox MCC seems to be identical to Agfa MCC wrt to speed, contrast and most importantly tonality. I used 6x6 and 35mm negs on both diffusion and condenser enlargers.

Hats off to Fotoimpex and the ex-Agfa people for their efforts to resurrect MCC!
 

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My test sample arrived today. I have now pulled out my last unopened 10x8 25 sheet box of MCC 111 FB to zero a test neg in, then I'll run the sample stuff.

I'll have something evaluate within a week, bit of a privilege this.

There is obviously serious intent, as well as serious money behind this project

Mick.
 

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Does it lith or not? I tried it and it reacts to lith developer, but somehow I did not like how it comes out of the developer.

I like the paper for simple b&w work, but for lith printing I will stick to what I have now until someone else comes up with a better receipe for that paper.

You can find scans on my little blog. This is the specific post.

I do not have a calibrated monitor. The scans look alright on my iBook but look too cold on my Windows laptop. So I decided to present them like they came out of the scanner.

Ruediger
 

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JLP said:
Any word on when we can expect to see the MCC here in the US?
jan
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Hi jan: Received my MCC today 04 Sep. Shipped by Freestyle. But I am only about 1 hour from them here in So. Calif. The weather is too hot at present so will not do any testing until it cools down in a few days. Howard Tanger
 

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Received my MCC 111 today. Look forward to give it a run but it wont be until mid next week, want to have plenty of time. Can't wait though.

Thanks again Mirko and Freestyle.

jan
 

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E U R E K A ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

Mirko, you wonderful man: The new MCC 111 is GORGEOUS!

I have a lot of old Agfa MCC 111 on hand. I printed a negative with a Grade 3.5 filter onto the Agfa paper. Then I printed with the Adox version -- I had to go down to a Grade 3 filter, it was maybe a quarter-grade difference. If you look you can see the whiter Adox base but if I printed on the Adox without knowing, I would think I had just printed on Agfa.

When can we place orders? When are you shipping to the US?

I cannot thank you enough for this.

By the way, I also printed with your Emaks paper this evening, Grade 4 -- lovely lovely paper.

Sanders McNew
 

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My sample arrived yesterday. I'm excited. I plan to test it out with whatever I shooy today for the APUG anniversary shoot.

Does anyone know how many sheets are in the sample pack?

I was surprised by the Freestyle connection.
 

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Melanie loves it too.

In the light of the morning, with dried prints in hand, Agfa and Adox,
Melanie pronounces that the Adox version passes inspection with her.
To appreciate that, you must know that Agfa MCC 111 is the only
paper that has ever satisfied her. Ever.

We found another difference this morning:

Adox's paper dries flatter than the Agfa version. And that is a
surprise because Agfa's was already one of the flatter-drying
papers I've used. But Adox has improved on it. Fantastic!

The whiter base is more apparent now that the prints are dry.
For my work, the slightly whiter base is an improvement.

Mirko, again, thank you for this. Tell us your production and
shipping schedule.

Sanders
 
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