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This sounds very much like what my partner keeps seeing on FedEx deliveries for the past couple years. They simply won't deliver down the private road we live on, unless the right person is gotten on the phone and/or complaints lodged outside FedEx are noticed. Notably, UPS and Amazon have no trouble here (despite our crazy neighbor sometimes confronting the drivers), it's only FedEx... They used to deliver stuff to the wrong address (which is bad, when it's live sea creatures).

Sea creatures as in food, aquarium additions, or Karkens?
 

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New tenants for the reef aquarium, Sirius. Corals, fish, shrimp, snails, crabs, etc.
 

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New tenants for the reef aquarium, Sirius. Corals, fish, shrimp, snails, crabs, etc.

How big an aquarium? Years ago I thought about having a saltwater aquarium but I realized that to be practical, one needed to be large and that takes a lot of work and care, not like guppies or gold fish.
 

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How big an aquarium?

Got an 80 gallon with 30 gallon sump (where the pump and skimmer live, along with some critters exiled from the main tank for undesirable behavior) and a separate 40 gallon with plants, plus some more corals, shrimp, and a couple fish (plus a breeding population of copepods and amphipods, food for some of the fish). This requires several gallons of make-up water volume per day, free from chlorine and iron (partner installed a small reverse osmosis deionizing filter system for this), plus frequent water changes, and other supplies (food, etc.). Total of six long 2-tube T3 fluorescent light fixtures (54W per tube), plus their ballasts and some expensive LED lights (color and brightness controlled) -- corals need UV as if from sunlight.

I've seen successful-seeming tanks with one or two corals and one or two fish as small as a couple gallons, but the smaller the tank, the closer it has to be watched. Ten gallons can change conditions a lot faster than 110.

I don't see getting into one like partner's without spending about $5k, maybe more, in equipment, supplies, and denizens. And you can expect a crash that kills 80% or more of the contents at random intervals roughly every 3-4 years (some never have one, some go years in a seemingly perpetual state of crisis). Then there are equipment failures -- a skimmer for that size tank runs around $300, and if it quits, everything will die in a week, give or take. Glass tanks can shatter, seemingly without warning, and acrylic or polycarbonate can develop leaks at the chemical welded seams. Plumbing can develop leaks, too.
 

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New tenants for the reef aquarium, Sirius. Corals, fish, shrimp, snails, crabs, etc.

Which means an entire additional level of inspection - endangered species, invasive species, quarantine potential.
And the staff member who handles that may only be at that location every second Tuesday .....
 

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Got an 80 gallon with 30 gallon sump (where the pump and skimmer live, along with some critters exiled from the main tank for undesirable behavior) and a separate 40 gallon with plants, plus some more corals, shrimp, and a couple fish (plus a breeding population of copepods and amphipods, food for some of the fish). This requires several gallons of make-up water volume per day, free from chlorine and iron (partner installed a small reverse osmosis deionizing filter system for this), plus frequent water changes, and other supplies (food, etc.). Total of six long 2-tube T3 fluorescent light fixtures (54W per tube), plus their ballasts and some expensive LED lights (color and brightness controlled) -- corals need UV as if from sunlight.

I've seen successful-seeming tanks with one or two corals and one or two fish as small as a couple gallons, but the smaller the tank, the closer it has to be watched. Ten gallons can change conditions a lot faster than 110.

I don't see getting into one like partner's without spending about $5k, maybe more, in equipment, supplies, and denizens. And you can expect a crash that kills 80% or more of the contents at random intervals roughly every 3-4 years (some never have one, some go years in a seemingly perpetual state of crisis). Then there are equipment failures -- a skimmer for that size tank runs around $300, and if it quits, everything will die in a week, give or take. Glass tanks can shatter, seemingly without warning, and acrylic or polycarbonate can develop leaks at the chemical welded seams. Plumbing can develop leaks, too.

In addition to the work required one has to be around to do the work. A four to six week vacation becomes a big deal arranging for a suitable person to come in and do the needed work. My local tap water after removing the chlorine still has other added chemicals which cannot be easily removed or reduced to a save level, although I could drive to the Pacific Ocean and draw water to use as a starter.
 

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And the staff member who handles that may only be at that location every second Tuesday .....

Oh, much worse than that, but these orders are coming in from Stateside suppliers who have already handled the import inspections at the port of entry (Los Angeles, usually, since these come in from the Pacifc for the most part). Many of the source regions (Fiji, Indonesia, etc.) are closed to export now, anyway (though they may reopen when economy and pandemic issues are more stable, at least in some cases).

No, these problems were strictly with FedEx redefining "overnight" by failing to actually look at the address where they deliver, or refusing to come down the private road, and having no location where one can go to them to pick up (plus charging a fee to redirect after they repeatedly fail to deliver even for slower service levels).
 

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In addition to the work required one has to be around to do the work. A four to six week vacation becomes a big deal arranging for a suitable person to come in and do the needed work. My local tap water after removing the chlorine still has other added chemicals which cannot be easily removed or reduced to a save level, although I could drive to the Pacific Ocean and draw water to use as a starter.

Even one week at the Outer Banks requires someone to feed and check water level. An RODI system like ours would remove anything that matters from your water -- the output is purer than most distilled -- but that's another $200-$500, depending on working rate, and it'll raise your water bill, too -- 90% of the water goes down the drain, you get to use 10% that's been purified (this is inherent to reverse osmosis).

And if you can get to the Pacific, the water there probably isn't clean enough for corals. You'd need water at least several miles from the nearest sewage treatment outflow, industrial drain, or anything else human-derived. No, you start with the same high purity water and add packaged, commercial salt that mimics sea water from various locations (you can choose, to some extent); that's also needed for water changes anyway. Makeup water is pure (replacing evaporation), but change water needs to be 2.5% mixed salts by weight, give or take almost nothing.
 
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How big an aquarium? Years ago I thought about having a saltwater aquarium but I realized that to be practical, one needed to be large and that takes a lot of work and care, not like guppies or gold fish.

Apparently, they weren't taking too good of care of this one. Apparently the hotel will have fish on their menu for a while as 1500 were in the 82-foot-high tank and they all died.

BERLIN (AP) — A huge aquarium in Berlin burst, spilling debris, water and hundreds of tropical fish out of the AquaDom tourist attraction in the heart of the German capital early Friday.

Police said parts of the building, which also contains a hotel, cafes and a chocolate store, were damaged as 1 million liters (264,000 gallons) of water poured from the aquarium shortly before 6 a.m. (0500 GMT). Berlin's fire service said two people were slightly injured.


 

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Apparently, they weren't taking too good of care of this one. Apparently the hotel will have fish on their menu for a while as 1500 were in the 82-foot-high tank and they all died.

BERLIN (AP) — A huge aquarium in Berlin burst, spilling debris, water and hundreds of tropical fish out of the AquaDom tourist attraction in the heart of the German capital early Friday.

Police said parts of the building, which also contains a hotel, cafes and a chocolate store, were damaged as 1 million liters (264,000 gallons) of water poured from the aquarium shortly before 6 a.m. (0500 GMT). Berlin's fire service said two people were slightly injured.



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Guys......I'm close to hitting the ignore button on my own thread.
 

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Stopped over to browse through 4X5 lens chatter and can't tell how this veered off so far. Did someone bring up a fisheye lens in one of the pages :smile:
 
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It happens, just have to bring it to attention, no biggy.
 

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Guys......I'm close to hitting the ignore button on my own thread.

There is only so much you can say about selecting your first 4x5 lens, yet, having exhausted the subject, some members feel the need to go on talking about something, anything. It used to be such transgressors were sent out to stand in the hall, but I think that is no longer permitted.
 
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There is only so much you can say about selecting your first 4x5 lens, yet, having exhausted the subject.........

Yes, all the points of view were very helpful in making my choice.......when the lens arrives, of course will be proud to have it and have to show everyone..........like folks haven't seen it before, lol.

I did have a different update on the tracking of the lens............."Shipment has arrived at the third party delivery facility. Shipment delivery will be attempted in the next scheduled cyle." So that sounds like it cleared customs to me.
 

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I did have a different update on the tracking of the lens............."Shipment has arrived at the third party delivery facility. Shipment delivery will be attempted in the next scheduled cyle." So that sounds like it cleared customs to me.

Nothing quite like the dopamine rush of camera equipment coming in the mail.
 
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I jumped into photography three years ago with the purchase of a Graflex Pacemaker Speed Graphic. I had never owned a film camera prior to that and understood nothing about aperture, depth of field, focal length, or really anything much at all.

One's starting point seems to matter when selecting a starter lens. For a newbie like me, I wouldn't worry about starting with a "keeper" lens (i.e., a lens I'd expect to build into a long-term kit). I would get a pedestrian lens that works perfectly. That basically means that shutter speeds are accurate, but also that the aperture controls operate well and hold position.

A well functioning lens is essential to get control over the photographic process. Slop in shutter speeds or aperture precision will cause frustration and impede learning (ask me how I know).

Maybe there aren't many newbies that start with 4x5 (and I'm not sure about the OP's background). For newbies, something like a Kodak Ektar 127mm or similar Wollensak Raptor 127mm are not expensive and produce photos of sufficient quality to motivate/reward. I'd spend money on a CLA to get things dialed in.
 
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Well, it arrived today!

I just have one question......i can't focus it with the canham DLC45......it appears that the bellows cannot get short enough........is this lens actually too wide for this camera? Or, am I doing something wrong.

I'd show a pic but photrio keeps telling me that a 117kb file is too large.
 

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I'd show a pic but photrio keeps telling me that a 117kb file is too large.

Resize/convert your photo to a jpeg that is 1000 pixels on the long side.
And remind us again what lens it is!
 
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Oops my brain farted..........I was overlooking the front or rear adjustment for shortening the distance between the standards, it's all good.
 
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It tells me a pic that is 569x602 is too large, that's the smallest resize option I have.
 
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