That quote express his desire for a response, not a inherent quality in a photograph.Here's a Robert Frank quote that for me gets to the heart of it.
“When people look at my pictures I want them to feel the way they do when they want to read a line of a poem twice.”
― Robert Frank
He is suggesting that the picture contains human emotion, like the poet infuses into his language.
Can that happen when you are not present (in the same light) as the subject?
I don't agree; he is describing his goal to engage the need to participate in the communication. The consequent experience is after the presentation of the image. Stepping back a bit...where does photography begin and end? Conceptualization, capture, production, experiencing the image?Here's a Robert Frank quote that for me gets to the heart of it.
“When people look at my pictures I want them to feel the way they do when they want to read a line of a poem twice.”
― Robert Frank
He is suggesting that the picture contains human emotion, like the poet infuses into his language.
Can that happen when you are not present (in the same light) as the subject?
He speaks of "my pictures" to suggest he is the poet using photography as the communication medium instead of words. In short, an exchange of human emotion.That quote express his desire for a response, not a inherent quality in a photograph.
Not what I said at all.It sounds like you have drawn a line in the sand, such that images produced by AI are not photography even if the input is a list of desires from the human.
He is using an image, like words, as a means of communication. Not all photographs elicit emotion, and those that do, may elicit one emotion is some, a different emotion in others, and no emotion in yet others. Therefore, emotion is not something inherent in words or a photograph. Emotions are inherent in (normal) humans.He speaks of "my pictures" to suggest he is the poet using photography as the communication medium instead of words. In short, an exchange of human emotion.
Other qualifiers include film photography and digital photography.You can add qualifiers and limiters to the word: dental photography, studio photography, micro-photography, Instagram photography, street photography, etc., etc. and you can then discuss the result.
Ok, that's clearer yet. You attach no human spirit to the essence of photography then.Not what I said at all.
AI produced photography is just as much photography as human produced photography.
He is using an image, like words, as a means of communication. Not all photographs elicit emotion, and those that do, may elicit one emotion is some, a different emotion in others, and no emotion in yet others. Therefore, emotion is not something inherent in words or a photograph. Emotions are inherent in (normal) humans.
Worked in acute care psych for 10 years. I'm no sure that I agree with the list, presented as some authority, as it seems more derivative of feelings than feelings themselves. This is critical in counseling.We are already in a world of sex robots. People are having "sex" with robots, and others are proposing that the robots have rights that need to be protected. Presumably, robots will have sex with robots, but at that point, is it reasonable to call that activity "sex?" Is it reasonable to call robots "male and female" even? Is there nothing notably or fundamentally different about the activities of robots and humans?
If robots can be photographers, are we happy with them being judges too?
This is why we have art in the first place.Nothing has an "essence" that can be expressed in words.
“Exactitude is not truth.” -Henri Matisse“All photographs are accurate. None of them is the truth.” — Richard Avedon
Now ask me whether I attach human spirit to the essence of photography of exceptional value and meaning.Ok, that's clearer yet. You attach no human spirit to the essence of photography then.
Thanks for making your position more clear. I hope others can be as clear too.
Oh but I can, but the words don't define photography, they are particular and they relate to particular examples and types of photography.If one can't find words for the essence of their photography there are really two possibilities. Poor language skill, or a thoughtless pursuit.
Oh my, I didn't mean it that way. I meant a SERVICE would compile miles of video for the purpose of selling it frame by frame to those who want to pay for it.
It wasn't at all about copyright issues or IP. It was about the concept of remotely capturing images in the new age of the digital realm.
If one can't find words for the essence of their photography there are really two possibilities. Poor language skill, or a thoughtless pursuit.
Essence of things is not ineffable. What are the traits of a thing without which it's no longer that thing?
The quotes I've cited all relate to essence, and include a human element. I don't believe anyone in this thread has assigned any human values to "photography" as a part of it's essence. And, I'm extremely surprised by that.
Rules and definitions? Not my interest at all. Essence has nothing to do with rules or definitions. I'm not looking for rules or definitions - - that's the other guy in the other thread.And it is unwise to try to pin it down with a particular set of rules or definitions.
It wasn't that difficult. The context for my use of the word "essence" was photography. That's about as sharp a context as the word is ever used for. And yes, anything philosophical (Forum heading) is likely to involve words, and the ideas they attempt to describe. I can't help but notice reading back through here how much resentment is behind so many posts. "How dare you ask such an impertinent question of me!" is pretty much a summary.Guess you must be right, and everybody else must be wrong. HOWEVER, " essence" is only a word. Like any other word it means nothing without context. In your case, prolix prose seems to overpower any idea you may be struggling to express. You're a fine photographer, but....
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