Yes. I agree with you.
I do appreciate the work Harman is doing, but at present, this product is still more like a curiosity than a film you qould really kike to use for great results. The lack of orange backing will make it tricky to pair with an enlarger and RA4 paper. The lack of antihalation layer is also a problem. I ordered two rolls because I want to try this, but it is unlikely I would biy more of this product. I am not interested in scanning film, neither will I take my films anywhere to be scanned. If you can´t print it, the product has not much value for me. But I do understand you don´t make a perfect color film from scratch. I still hope Harman will make a color film, which is up to the standards set by Kodak and Fuji after some years. This includes orange base and a working antihalation layer. We are after all talking about a company making some of the best black & white films and papers in the market - not a company selling cheap-o stuff with inflated prices to ignorant teenage hipsters. So, I do assume the aim is to make a product that could compete with Kodak in terms of quality. But it will take some time.
And as for the boomers, surely the way to deal with the narrow-minded is to widen their knowledge as well, rather than referring to them with disdain.
I found the first version of Phoenix surprisingly easy to print in the darkroom.
I’m not a hipster or a boomer but this entire saga is ridiculous.
Seriously. The rate that folks on this forum devolve into name-calling is kind of depressing
I was referring to the Phoenix product/project and associated consumer behaviour, but point taken.
I was referring to the Phoenix product/project and associated consumer behaviour, but point taken.
What is so ridiculous about it these things?
Harman making colour film is good, they seem to be making excellent progress. And people are buying it, is this not the kind of consumer behaviour that Harman and the broader film market would want?
I agree with @0x001688936CA08227494hhdHHgsor_00. This is a good thing from Harman, full stop.
FWIW, I'm not too upset about people not liking how things are marketed.
For us tending-towards-older folks, life seemed more fun and exciting when we were the target demographic for ads for photographic stuff.
Now we seem to be the target demographic for ads for funerals, seniors' life insurance and other products directed toward health conditions that are just too embarrassing to post about.
I agree Just a pity that Harman does not. Perhaps it feels its future lies with the influencers. We live in an era where you are either "Quick or Dead " to cannibalise Norman's book title
FWIW it is a different society now in general and social media has reshaped it a towards attention economy. It's not anymore the random person blogging whatever happens, but influencers; Not anymore the general advertisement. Sometimes I reflect that I appear to have a bit of "TikTok mind" more as reduced attention span and quick succession and context switch... Even if not an user of that platform, the format has spread and is the norm.I don't think it has much to do with influencers or "quick or dead". Perhaps it does. But I would posit that for any hobby to survive, it has to bring in new members to replace the ones that pass or exit the hobby. I discovered the name "Harman" through YouTube. I do not watch TV. I red newspapers but I haven't seen Harman advertising in the NYT. I use and ad blocker on most websites. The only ways for me to have discovered Harman would be either by watching a YouTube that I follow talk about it, or through word of mouth.
I believe one or two of our own moderators here have successfully printed Phoenix I in the darkroom, unless I am mistaken? It was said to be easier than expected.
What is so ridiculous about it these things?
Harman making colour film is good, they seem to be making excellent progress. And people are buying it, is this not the kind of consumer behaviour that Harman and the broader film market would want?
Of course buying this stuff and however many versions of it is exactly what Harman would want. It’s not exactly a new business model, nor is it unique to film, but I find it insidious, and the behaviour/reasoning of the targets ridiculous. I also think when it comes to colour film and the colour film market this Harman venture is pointless but that’s another matter. And I’m not even a boomer, though I do realize how utterly shameful my opinion is and how ashamed I should be (this is not directed at you).
I believe one or two of our own moderators here have successfully printed Phoenix I in the darkroom, unless I am mistaken? It was said to be easier than expected.
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