Love this idea. I was thinking this and or bringing the Pentax 67 or 645 back into production.
The 645 line is even still active with it's digital version (with a slightly smaller sensor then actual 645), so many newer lenses are still available bought new (but of course much cheaper on the used market), and I imagine parts of the 645Z could be reused. On the other side, same story: A used 645n can be had for a few hundred dollars, the original 645 for less, a new one would cost quite a bit more and would do maybe not much more (maybe better/faster AF or exposure modes? lighter due to modern batteries instead of 6xAA?).
I guess for the 67 they would need to start more from scratch then 645, and would need to rely mostly on used lenses...
But also I see that the 35mm market is and always was bigger and cheaper then the one for medium format... On the other side: What film medium format cameras are still new available, beside some plastic Lomo and maybe some 3D printed things with roll film back? Is the Rolleiflex still made as it was a few years ago? So, while in 35mm there is the very low end and the high end (Leica) still existing but the mid missing, for medium format it might be even more so?
I guess it always depends what breaks. I had about 2 years ago a 645 repaired (Service Camera Pro in Quebec City), and it works fine since, same with my 645n. The repair guys who has a lot of experience with them didn't expect much problems with them, I guess in between a 645 and a end 70s 35mm SLR isn't that much technical difference (of course, the AF versions should be more complex). But this was still designed for professional use, wedding photographers and such, and in comparison gets very light use from me. And there are so many 645 and 645n around, in the worst case it should be possible to get another body (or body for parts) for a reasonable price. And in the very worst case: The lenses are still adaptable to the digital Pentax or mirrorless medium format, so it's not a lost case (of course I prefer them with film).Right. My fear of Pentax 645 systems at this point is repairability. If they released something new with warranty and service I’d be very interested and I’m sure a lot of others would be too
Is the Rolleiflex still made as it was a few years ago?
The Rolleiflex TLR cameras have not been made for several years now.
I am not sure if DW Photo is still making the Hy6 mod2 SLR camera, or if perhaps they have some left.
DW Photo
The shutter priority mode in the AE-1 coincided with the heyday of Kodachrome 25 and Kodachrome 64, and was the perfect solution for those who had learned on slow films, and who were more vulnerable to blurred images due to camera shake than to shots that were lost to too little depth of field.
Switching from exclusively manual exposure to auto-exposure was more of a change than people with modern experience may realize.
I was selling cameras when the AE-1 was new, and most of my sales were to people who were used to manual exposure.
Konica also used shutter-speed preferred automation and ran a very effective ad campaign in the U.S. camera magazines mocking aperture-preferred cameras by calling their images the "perfectly exposed blur." I recall the ad made me laugh.
Jim B.
I think the reason so many people are disappointed is that they're not (yet) the target market. Their focus is reaching new film users and growing that market first, and makes sense.
They can start with a relatively simple, straightforward, easy to use camera that's several notches above the current 'reusable disposable' 35mm plastic crud in usability and quality, but still cheap enough to be a reasonably spontaneous or gift-style purchase for the 'film interested' alongside the current crop of Instax and Polaroid cameras.
People bitch about zone focusing being lame or a cop out, but forget that so many well regarded cameras used it... Olympus Pen series, Trip 35, XA2-4, later Minolta Hi-Matics, etc. And let's not forget that many street and other photographers use zone/pre focus regardless in order to shoot fast and get the shot.
Adding rangefinders or AF adds complexity cost, and the market for a new film cameras drifts downwards sharply once the price drifts north of a few hundred. Remember there's still millions of functional cameras out there on the used market which any new 35mm camera has to compete with, and with a few notable exceptions, most are still dirt cheap compared to what they cost new.
Now, not everyone wants to play in the secondhand market, and are happy to pay some amount of premium for a new camera with a warranty and support. But let's say Pentax eventually produce a lovely all-manual, mostly-metal SLR or rangefinder for US$1000, which would be an absolute minimum price (it'd probably be a lot more). That's a whole lot better than what Leica will charge you for anything new, for sure. But for an SLR... I mean, for under half that you can get a very tidy F2 or FM... and the cost a good CLA too.
Pentax/Ricoh, to their credit, are playing this very cautiously. They realise they're playing in a very niche market, and need to produce cameras they can actually produce a competitive product in.
With that in mind, I don't see any point in producing a modern AF SLR at this point. They're a dime a dozen, cheap and unwanted due to the lack of nostalgic hipster appeal and unlike the earlier manual cameras of decades prior, many still work without the problems the older cameras are now developing.
Personally I'd nix that idea, and replace it a simple 6x7 rangefinder, maybe fixed MF lens and electronic leaf shutter (with manual and AE controls) to keep costs down. Plenty of people out there would like a Mamiya 7, but also maintain ownership of both their kidneys.
Well said. It's got to be mass market and Pentax will be praying it will develop an all new market. People who don't even know what film is. I bet 90% of Instax film is shot by people who don't have any concept of how it works.
EDIT I see that Lomography do make the Lubitel 166+ so that's one option for a 400 dollarpound medium format TLR. If it's any good?
There is some truth in the young photographers wanting to try medium format. I've seen some trying out vintage gear like folding cameras but the full manual control is often a bit much. Probably a case of learning to walk before you can run....try manual focus first, then something with a limited range of shutter and aperture control....then fly on manual.
There was a 20 year-old guy in my Jr College darkroom class last fall who was an art major concentrating in photography. He had done darkroom in high school and so was pretty advanced and wildly adventurous in the darkroom. He checked out the department's Mamiya C330 but never even took it out of the office after deciding during the familiarization process that fully manual was just too difficult.
My grandchildren would bust out laughing at this. They have been shooting fully manual right alongside using their phones since before they were 10 years old.
They are all more inclined to use digital now that they are adults, primarily because of the issue around developing and printing. But even with digital cameras they use manual settings as easily as programmed ones. But every single one will try their best to get in the darkroom with me if they are around the house when I am printing.Dan - I was a bit perplexed by it. He did crazy stuff with flash real close to bare tree branches and complete black night behind, weird poses to make a human body look headless in a studio abstract, and turning on the darkroom lights to solarize prints. I gave him a brief tour of my C220, but he completely chickened out on the Mamiya.
It's great that your grandkids are so comfortable with it. My granddaughter is very artistic (drawing, clay, paint) and I tried to get her interested, but it just didn't catch. One of my grandnieces made a phenomenal pencil portrait of her grandmother (my sister) for her funeral and we talked a bit about film photography. Like many young people she was quite interested and thought it was way cool. I think she could be drawn to the dark slide, but I'm not sure how to go about it from several hundred miles away.
If you want kids to start enjoying photography you have to let them play.
You're right Matt but I play all the time. At least that is what my wife tells me.Not just kids!
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