Original Kodak HC 110 is back, from Fotoimpex!

[ADOX Fotoimpex]

Fantastic news!

I noticed you now have 2 versions of both your D76 and your HC110 product. 4 products in total.

Will you keep producing all 4 going forward and if so, are there any advantages in your 'old' products (D76 'eco' and old Fotoimpex thin HC110) compared to their newer versions?

Good question. We introduced Fotoimpex 110-Professional when Kodak Chemicals were not available in Europe any longer due to the wind up with Sino-Promise. Now they came back through PSI and we felt it does not make sense for us to have the exact version in another bottle. So we will discontinue Fotoimpex 110 and replace it with ADOX HC-110. This way there are different products and the customer has a real choice. For those who got to love Fotoimpex 110 there is now Kodak HC 110 back on the shelves.
As for D-76 ECO we will need to go for a two part packaging. This product can no longer be offered at the price of D-76 Classic and we will shortly release it again.

 

[ADOX Fotoimpex]

agreed, thanks for all the effort.



I think with "D-76 Eco" vs "D-76 Classic" things have been answered pretty extensively in it respective thread:
the Eco version is more economically friendly at the cost of a shorter shelf life.

On the HC-110, the classic syrup states on the bottle "Extra-long shelf live", but not how long exactly. the newer fluid version states 2 years for the concentrate and 6 months for the working strength.
Interestingly, both list Dilution B as 1+31, so the concentration of the active chemicals seems to be the same, and the price is very similar too too (the syrup being 8% more expensive)

Correct. The active ingredients are identical and so are development times. The only differences are shelve life and high dilution lasting times. The new version (Fotoimpex 110) is not at all bad. For those just using Dilution B and not expecting a shelf life of more than 3 years I would say it is even superior. We like to give you choices. For some its this version and for others the other.

 

[John Wiegerink]

Well, us here in the good old USA will await the supply of HC-110 to hit our shores. The thing that puzzles me is that I can get Bellini chemicals pretty easy and they seem to be in stock at Freestyle most of the time. Adox chemicals seem to be an entirely different story. No listing of the new HC-110 at all. Also, I've been waiting since the age of the dinosaurs for FX-39II to come back in stock. Is the supply train slightly off track? Is there another way for folks to get Adox chemicals here instead of Freestyle?

 

[ADOX Fotoimpex]

Well, us here in the good old USA will await the supply of HC-110 to hit our shores. The thing that puzzles me is that I can get Bellini chemicals pretty easy and they seem to be in stock at Freestyle most of the time. Adox chemicals seem to be an entirely different story. No listing of the new HC-110 at all. Also, I've been waiting since the age of the dinosaurs for FX-39II to come back in stock. Is the supply train slightly off track? Is there another way for folks to get Adox chemicals here instead of Freestyle?

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But they seem to be out of stock as well. FX-39 is just to good a developer

HC-110 just launched. This is normal that it takes a while to arrive in the US. On some items which can ship air we did a simultanious start but for a chemical like this we need to wait for the next shippment by sea.

 

[John Wiegerink]

FX-39 II B&W Film Developer

ADOX was founded in 1860 as the world's first photochemical factory. Over the next several decades, it became one of the leading film producers in Europe. Today, ADOX films, papers, and chemistry are proudly manufactured in Germany by an incredibly passionate team of film photography...

cinestillfilm.com

But they seem to be out of stock as well. FX-39 is just to good a developer

HC-110 just launched. This is normal that it takes a while to arrive in the US. On some items which can ship air we did a simultanious start but for a chemical like this we need to wait for the next shippment by sea.

Yes, I totally understand about HC-110(syrup version) being a new launch, which will take some time before it's on the shelf in the U.S.. What I don't understand is that FX-39II has been in production for some time now and Freestyle still hasn't restocked yet. I'm sure that I'm not fully understanding the supply chain here so I'll just keep waiting. Oh, and I agree that FX-39II is a very good developer. The reason I ordered some more is that I wanted to try it with your HR-50 film. Some folks here say it works extremely well with HR-50 and I wanted to see for myself.

 

[philipus]

I'm reviving this thread as I am slowly looking for a replacement for my HC-110 (cat 501 0541) syrup.

Am I right in thinking that of the three HC-110 versions sold by @ADOX Fotoimpex, only ADOX HC-110 PRO Original Syrup has the same long shelf live as the my old HC-110?

I've been trawling through many threads and it seems the new Kodak version (listed as "HC-110 successor") will not last as long due to its water content, and if I understood post #27 above the same is true of Fotoimpex 110.

Thanks in advance
philip

 

[Alan Johnson]

It seems to me that you are correct on all counts.
This version is described as original syrup and everlasting:

ADOX HC-110 PRO ''Original Syrup'' Made in Germany 500 ml conc. - fotoimpex.com analogue photography

Thick, juicy, honey-yellow - and everlasting - the Original Syrup is coming to market under the ADOX HC-110 Professional name, offering the quality of a German-made ...

www.fotoimpex.com

I cannot verify from the SDS that this is identical to the former Kodak syrup as Adox now give only an abbreviated SDS but it gave identical results in my side by side test.
Here is mine at 1 year old:

 

[P Sanders]

For those who use Adox FX 39ll , for the last couple of years I’ve found purchasing several bottles in October when available is best. It always seems to be unavailable December through March of the following year. I currently have 1 full bottle remaining. An unopened bottle kept in a cool darkroom will last well past 6 months and by then I’m purchasing more.

I use a HC110 clone as a back up developer. For me personally, using the Stearman 445 (for 4x5 sheet film) found 1oz Fx39ll to make 16oz US working and 8ml HC110 to make 500ml working the same time of 12 minutes for N for HP5+.

 

[philipus]

It seems to me that you are correct on all counts.
This version is described as original syrup and everlasting:

ADOX HC-110 PRO ''Original Syrup'' Made in Germany 500 ml conc. - fotoimpex.com analogue photography

Thick, juicy, honey-yellow - and everlasting - the Original Syrup is coming to market under the ADOX HC-110 Professional name, offering the quality of a German-made ...

www.fotoimpex.com

I cannot verify from the SDS that this is identical to the former Kodak syrup as Adox now give only an abbreviated SDS but it gave identical results in my side by side test.
Here is mine at 1 year old:

Hello Alan
Thank you very much for sharing your test info. This bodes well indeed.
best
Philip