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That's the problem. Netflix has their writers write with the hope the series will stay on the air for years. So it gets boring after a while as they start looking for new themes and repeating old ones. Then they suddenly cancel it because viewers stop watching and they never end the story leaving you high and dry. I;d rather watch a two-hour movie that ends and you can leave the theater satisfied with a beginning and end to it just in time when the popcorn runs out.

I dunno, there are some marvelous series being streamed. "Billions" leaps to mind. Not for the faint of heart because it has some very dark sexual and moral themes (which are entirely in context to the story line, hence no objection from me). Seven seasons of amazing writing. I was somewhat disappointed by the last season until the last few episodes wrapped it all up and it was just terrific.

I also much enjoyed, "Bosh", "Goliath", "Mozart In The Jungle", "Drive To Survive", "Tokyo Vice" and "Black List" (while Bonecamp was still writing it).
 

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That's the problem. Netflix has their writers write with the hope the series will stay on the air for years. So it gets boring after a while as they start looking for new themes and repeating old ones. Then they suddenly cancel it because viewers stop watching and they never end the story leaving you high and dry. I;d rather watch a two-hour movie that ends and you can leave the theater satisfied with a beginning and end to it just in time when the popcorn runs out.

NetFlix et al also freely look at news stories for plot suggestions, which can start getting repetitive if one follows the news in a thorough manner.
 

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That's the problem. Netflix has their writers write with the hope the series will stay on the air for years. So it gets boring after a while as they start looking for new themes and repeating old ones. Then they suddenly cancel it because viewers stop watching and they never end the story leaving you high and dry. I;d rather watch a two-hour movie that ends and you can leave the theater satisfied with a beginning and end to it just in time when the popcorn runs out.

I'm OK with narratives that don't wrap things up at the end. It gives me something to think about long after the experience. French cinema has done quite a bit of that ("400 Blows" by Truffaut) but Americans seem to like things tidy. There are exceptions: "Limbo" (1999) a film written and directed by John Sayles.
 

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I like stories that finish. I also don't mind cliched stories. I just like movies and series to be well-made, enjoyable, and beautiful (i.e. on film). I have never really cared about avant-garde cinema. This is one of the things that I find very unfortunate about most productions going digital--a lot of the simple but enjoyable movies miss out on a lot of their potential by not being elegantly photographed on film.
 

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I have found that smartphones have ruined more than just the theater. Among other things, they have ruined many of the movies and series themselves. It seems oftentimes that the smartphones take up half the movie and are more characters than the people.
 
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I like stories that finish. I also don't mind cliched stories. I just like movies and series to be well-made, enjoyable, and beautiful (i.e. on film). I have never really cared about avant-garde cinema. This is one of the things that I find very unfortunate about most productions going digital--a lot of the simple but enjoyable movies miss out on a lot of their potential by not being elegantly photographed on film.
What's with these digital films that seem too dark when adjusted for showing? Or there's no contrast, just a bland image? Who taught these people how to grade colors?
 

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What's with these digital films that seem too dark when adjusted for showing? Or there's no contrast, just a bland image? Who taught these people how to grade colors?

And other times the opposite problem. Sometimes on the digital movies the highlights are so overexposed and the contrast so harsh, that it is essentially unwatchable.
 

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Even on the digital movies that do a better job, the colors are about as far as it extends. So many of the things that make film so beautiful in its rendering just can't be faked with digital. Film is about texture and tonality, and about the transitions between different areas of the scene, and the pleasing way that light is recorded, and a depth that can be felt.

Of course, a lot of this is dependent upon good light. Natural light is the model for beauty, the sun and firelight, and only old-school incandescent lamps can approximate this round kind of light. LEDs and their harsh artificial flat point light sources just can't do it, no matter what modifiers you put with them. LEDs are an ugly, unnatural, and unhealthy light.
 

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That is one of the features on the additional materials disk that accompanies the Oppenheimer Blue Ray. I assumed that the 65mm cutter was brought over from the UK, because of the accent :smile:.
The sound track of the clip indistaed france I belive. In any case Highy specalised.

the most famous negative cutter Mo Henry passed away recently.


one of the reference in the wikipedia article is this interview with mo by the Chicago film society, which goes into some deatils of how Negative cutting works.

 
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When I started going to the cinema as a child in the 70s. it was quite typical to have a short film followed by maybe two or three commercials followed by trailers of forthcoming films....then the main feature. That's why they are called feature films after all, the main feature which comes *after* the other stuff. The household also had just one TV, 18" with a crappy picture and mono sound...and three channels available.

In those days the commercials were typically for Kia-Ora orange drink, which would be offered by a young woman between the trailers and the movie.....the Chinese restaurant around the corner, "After the film, why not enjoy a meal at The Great Wall Restaurant - Just around the corner from this cinema!" (it still is)....and maybe a commercial for new cars or a bank. The adverts gradually got bigger, especially when the independent cinema started taking Perl & Dean adverts. But back then, British adverts were witty and unique. Now the ads at the cinema and on TV are generic, dubbed ads that can be shown anywhere in the world.

The short film would be something that the cinema had available, often some 10-20 minute film about wildlife in some far flung part of the planet, or another culture in an equally distant place.

So I am well used to the feature beginning 30 minutes after the advertised time....BUT the caveat is that they used to tell you that so you could choose.

The USP for me with the cinema now is that the better ones have large, reclining seats, and hopefully big screens. Something like Oppenheimer or Dune really benefits from the big screen....and even my kick-ass 5.1 system with a couple of thousand Watts at it's disposal doesn't quite match the IMAX experience.

I've never been one to guzzle popcorn during a movie but the spousal units do. Doesn't seem to be a problem. But those bloody phone screens lighting up really distracts me. If you really need to take some vital call, go outside. Otherwise, if you are so addicted to your phone that you cannot sit for around two hours without gazing at it....you have a problem and need to seek some therapy. I am quite a heavy smart phone user but I can put the thing aside for two to three hours.

Cinema has lost some of it's USP because we no longer squint at 20" TVs at home with either a pan and scan (yuck yuck I could never understand why) or letterboxed movie and a mono speaker. Most people now have decently large screens with at least a surround sound bar (though I think they tend to be pretty poor they are better than what most people had 20 years ago). Something special can still get bums on seats....with Oppenheimer, Dune and Barbie all being special for different reasons. OF all those, I think Barbie would translate to home viewing the best because the visuals take a back seat to the (very clever) story. Oppenheimer and Dune are not only compelling stories but also have great visuals and sound.

Covid also resulted in changes. Cinemas closed completely for the better part of two years here and many more people subscribed to streaming services. Many have yet to be tempted back.

AS for regular TV, I am blessed to live in England with the BBC that runs no adverts. The commercial stations are limited reasonably sensibly in how frequent and how long the ad breaks can be. I remember when I did move to America for a time in the late 90s, I found broadcast television completely unwatchable because of the frequency and length of ads. But the streamers currently have the money to hire the best writers and screen the best stories.

Oppenheimer was an event, and it was well advertised....by which I mean the promotion was effective. It made people curious to watch the film. Going to the cinema does mean getting off your bum and generally driving somewhere, paying a fair amount per person and making an evening of it (or an afternoon at the weekend). It is a great experience that most of us don't have at home. But the difference between home TV and the cinema is less than it was not so long ago.
 
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When I started going to the cinema as a child in the 70s. it was quite typical to have a short film followed by maybe two or three commercials followed by trailers of forthcoming films....then the main feature. That's why they are called feature films after all, the main feature which comes *after* the other stuff. The household also had just one TV, 18" with a crappy picture and mono sound...and three channels available.

In those days the commercials were typically for Kia-Ora orange drink, which would be offered by a young woman between the trailers and the movie.....the Chinese restaurant around the corner, "After the film, why not enjoy a meal at The Great Wall Restaurant - Just around the corner from this cinema!" (it still is)....and maybe a commercial for new cars or a bank. The adverts gradually got bigger, especially when the independent cinema started taking Perl & Dean adverts. But back then, British adverts were witty and unique. Now the ads at the cinema and on TV are generic, dubbed ads that can be shown anywhere in the world.

The short film would be something that the cinema had available, often some 10-20 minute film about wildlife in some far flung part of the planet, or another culture in an equally distant place.

So I am well used to the feature beginning 30 minutes after the advertised time....BUT the caveat is that they used to tell you that so you could choose.

The USP for me with the cinema now is that the better ones have large, reclining seats, and hopefully big screens. Something like Oppenheimer or Dune really benefits from the big screen....and even my kick-ass 5.1 system with a couple of thousand Watts at it's disposal doesn't quite match the IMAX experience.

I've never been one to guzzle popcorn during a movie but the spousal units do. Doesn't seem to be a problem. But those bloody phone screens lighting up really distracts me. If you really need to take some vital call, go outside. Otherwise, if you are so addicted to your phone that you cannot sit for around two hours without gazing at it....you have a problem and need to seek some therapy. I am quite a heavy smart phone user but I can put the thing aside for two to three hours.

Cinema has lost some of it's USP because we no longer squint at 20" TVs at home with either a pan and scan (yuck yuck I could never understand why) or letterboxed movie and a mono speaker. Most people now have decently large screens with at least a surround sound bar (though I think they tend to be pretty poor they are better than what most people had 20 years ago). Something special can still get bums on seats....with Oppenheimer, Dune and Barbie all being special for different reasons. OF all those, I think Barbie would translate to home viewing the best because the visuals take a back seat to the (very clever) story. Oppenheimer and Dune are not only compelling stories but also have great visuals and sound.

Covid also resulted in changes. Cinemas closed completely for the better part of two years here and many more people subscribed to streaming services. Many have yet to be tempted back.

AS for regular TV, I am blessed to live in England with the BBC that runs no adverts. The commercial stations are limited reasonably sensibly in how frequent and how long the ad breaks can be. I remember when I did move to America for a time in the late 90s, I found broadcast television completely unwatchable because of the frequency and length of ads. But the streamers currently have the money to hire the best writers and screen the best stories.

Oppenheimer was an event, and it was well advertised....by which I mean the promotion was effective. It made people curious to watch the film. Going to the cinema does mean getting off your bum and generally driving somewhere, paying a fair amount per person and making an evening of it (or an afternoon at the weekend). It is a great experience that most of us don't have at home. But the difference between home TV and the cinema is less than it was not so long ago.

When I was a kid in America in the 1950s, we'd go to the movies and see two main movies for a quarter if you were under 12 and a dollar if over. We "stayed" under 12 until we were 14. They were proceeded by a few cartoons like the RoadRunner or Bugs Bunny or one of his sidekicks. There were a few short films like News of the Day, The Coming Attractions, and finally the two main films. My parents sent me and my only sibling sister every Saturday afternoon. I always wondered why they never went with us. 😊
 

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I do remember aged 9 going to see a double feature of Moonraker and For Your Eyes Only with a teenager I'd literally met that day while on holiday. My parents figured it was OK, and it was.
 

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……In those days the commercials were …

As I mentioned earlier, the commercials were one of the many reasons I quit TV and the movies. I am real tired and being pitched at every turn in life. If I go to a gas (petrol) station, the dispenser starts screaming at me with distorted audio trying to sell me something while I am attempting to put an explosive liquid in a tank. (I’ll be doing less of that since we just got an EV.) I go to the dentist an in the waiting room are numerous TVs screens, each pitching some kind of upgrade to whatever I’m in there for. And don’t get me started on spam and pop ups. I call to do business and am put on hold and hear a stream of commercials for one thing or another. My guess is that my call can be put through right away but they leave me there until a set number of commercials have played.

….I've never been one to guzzle popcorn during a movie but…

I’m amazed that people can’t seem to go a couples hours without stuffing their faces. Then looking at their shapes, well, there it is.


…if you are so addicted to your phone that you cannot sit for around two hours without gazing at it....you have a problem and need to seek some therapy…

I fully agree there. And not just 2 hours, but for 24. I camp out on cross country motorcycle road trips and look for the less traveled campgrounds. In the online reviews people leave scathing comments about the lack of Wi-Fi or cell service.


…Something special can still get bums on seats....with Oppenheimer, Dune and Barbie all being special for different reasons….

Not special enough for me. I had a friend cry on my shoulder after the Barbie movie left her an emotional wreck.
 

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@VinceInMT I am eternally grateful that capitalism hasn't taken over the UK to such an extent that I'm as bombarded with ads as you are. I cannot imagine ads when I am on hold to a business number, and thankfully the one screen at my dentist's waiting room is silent and just runs through a number of "slides" of cosmetic procedures one could potentially buy. Easy to ignore. Never had a gas (petrol) station clerk scream ads at me either, Though we do have a national chain of stationers/newsagents/confectionary shops called WH Smiths who will occasionally try to push chocolate bars at the till.

With the cinema, at least you know the ads are going to run before the movie you've paid to see and they are out of the way. It might be a courtesy of cinemas in general to state how long the ads and trailers run. I've noticed that VUE have recently started to state on their website the end time of every film - which is great when figuring out whether to have dinner before or after....or which showing is the most suitable time to fit in with other commitments.
 

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I am eternally grateful that capitalism hasn't taken over the UK to such an extent that I'm as bombarded with ads as you are.…

And I have a degree of jealousy. While I abandoned TV and films decades ago, I remain a fan of radio, however, American radio has descended into the same pit with 22 minutes of commercials per hour, not to mention the hate played on the “talk” formats. I’ve even given up on NPR (for a variety of reasons) and my smart speaker is usually tuned in to BBC World Service or BBC Radio 4. I also find LOTS of great content with the BBC Sounds app.

Back to movies, even after the feature film starts the advertising does not. Product placement and product mentions is a huge part of that industry. I’ll cite Reeses Pieces in the movie “ET” as an obvious example.
 

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Back to movies, even after the feature film starts the advertising does not. Product placement and product mentions is a huge part of that industry. I’ll cite Reeses Pieces in the movie “ET” as an obvious example.

My favorite example was the pine tree shaped air fresheners in Repo Man.

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And I have a degree of jealousy. While I abandoned TV and films decades ago, I remain a fan of radio, however, American radio has descended into the same pit with 22 minutes of commercials per hour, not to mention the hate played on the “talk” formats. I’ve even given up on NPR (for a variety of reasons) and my smart speaker is usually tuned in to BBC World Service or BBC Radio 4. I also find LOTS of great content with the BBC Sounds app.

Back to movies, even after the feature film starts the advertising does not. Product placement and product mentions is a huge part of that industry. I’ll cite Reeses Pieces in the movie “ET” as an obvious example.

At least that mild product placement didn't detract from ET....at least I don't think it does. It's not like Elliot says "Hey, ET, come eat these Reeses Pieces, they're the best candy on the planet" or some other guff. They are also a useful part of the plot, Elliot needs to lure ET out with something. Sure, it could have been pieces of sweetcorn...but then I suppose it would have been from a Green Giant can! Something that does get me, however, is cans of drink being enjoyed by characters on screen that are all somehow perfectly positioned so the viewer can see the name/logo on them. In real life that never happens. Camera angles positioned so as to catch the brand names of computers and monitors. It just bugs me when *creative* decisions are affected by the product placement. Sometimes it really sticks out.

The BBC isn't permitted product placement. Indeed up until the 90s the rules were so strict that they'd tape over trademarks and brand names with black tape....and more recently when Bake-Off was on BBC they were using Smeg branded fridges that had been provided by Smeg for free....which was fine, but they had to remove the Smeg logo from the fridges!

Elsewhere on British TV (the commercial channels) product placement is lawful but heavily regulated. Generally British audiences prefer advertising to be separate from the actual programming. Last time I watched broadcast TV in America the ads were still as subtle as a sledgehammer to the head. So I can understand the problems faced by viewers.
 

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The BBC isn't permitted product placement. Indeed up until the 90s the rules were so strict that they'd tape over trademarks and brand names with black tape....and more recently when Bake-Off was on BBC they were using Smeg branded fridges that had been provided by Smeg for free....which was fine, but they had to remove the Smeg logo from the fridges!

Elsewhere on British TV (the commercial channels) product placement is lawful but heavily regulated. Generally British audiences prefer advertising to be separate from the actual programming. Last time I watched broadcast TV in America the ads were still as subtle as a sledgehammer to the head. So I can understand the problems faced by viewers.

As listener (and collector) of BBC radio shows, I’ve heard lots of non-references to product names, many times for comedic effect, and sometimes a disclaimer if an interviewee mentions one. Despite of that, I have learned about various British product names like Tesco, Watney’s, Marks and Spencer, Jaffa Cakes, and, of course, all those British cars. (I have a ‘65 Triumph TR4.)

While I haven’t watch TV in a very long time, I am told that ads for prescription drugs are everywhere.
 

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As listener (and collector) of BBC radio shows, I’ve heard lots of non-references to product names, many times for comedic effect, and sometimes a disclaimer if an interviewee mentions one. Despite of that, I have learned about various British product names like Tesco, Watney’s, Marks and Spencer, Jaffa Cakes, and, of course, all those British cars. (I have a ‘65 Triumph TR4.)

While I haven’t watch TV in a very long time, I am told that ads for prescription drugs are everywhere.


American TV is full of ads for prescription drugs, whereas such ads are outlawed in many countries.....on the grounds that decisions on which medicines are prescribed are best decided by a doctor or specialist and not based on any advertising.

Mentioning company and brand names on the BBC has been relaxed in recent decades, especially where said company has not provided any free services/equipment. But anyone who was a child in the early 80s or earlier can remember references to making crafts with "sticky back plastic" rather than uttering the brand name of an adhesive tape.
 
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American TV is full of ads for prescription drugs, whereas such ads are outlawed in many countries.....on the grounds that decisions on which medicines are prescribed are best decided by a doctor or specialist and not based on any advertising.

Mentioning company and brand names on the BBC has been relaxed in recent decades, especially where said company has not provided any free services/equipment. But anyone who was a child in the early 80s or earlier can remember references to making crafts with "sticky back plastic" rather than uttering the brand name of an adhesive tape.

Prescription drugs still have to be prescribed by doctors in the USA even if advertised. Advertisements may make possible users aware of new drugs that are recently available on the market. Of course, they could ask their doctors about them and "push" them for prescriptions. Doctors could comply. A bigger problem is all the non-prescription garbage that ads claim is healthy for us that's just garbage. This is the stuff that requires no prescriptions.
 

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Is this still a thread about Oppenheimer? 😝 After seeing the film version at IMAX I’ll be looking forward to seeing it on the small screen in my home. It was a good film but the IMAX experience was not for me. The resolution and detail of the projected film though - wow.
 
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