Oppenheimer Shot IMAX

[MattKing]

I was kidding. 8 from B&H? Are these made in China, US???

Or Germany?

 

[mshchem]

Or Germany?

Yep, that's what I have a stockpile of before Sino got involved and still made by Tetenal. Why do bad things keep happening to the companies I love?

 

[MattKing]

Yep, that's what I have a stockpile of before Sino got involved and still made by Tetenal. Why do bad things keep happening to the companies I love?

Some of the Sino Promise Kodak labelled chemicals distributed in the EU also said made in Germany.

 

[bjorke]

Yes, Nolan enticed Kodak to cut Eastman 5222 Double-X in 15/70mm size. Just for this film.

I'm very excited for this film, but after seeing the trailer I cannot un-see the Nikon F3 used with a flash(bulb) as Oppenheimer exits the hearing room. Everyone using a Speed Graphic 4x5 with period correct Graflex bulb flashes and then That Guy. Don't watch it again and say I didn't warn you.

Yeah, around 1:35 in (Nikon F2 I think, not F or F3). Only one guy is changing bulbs too. Maybe the production photographer, actually making photos? Quite a few of the off-camera crew include van Hoytema are carrying, as is typical.

I hear they also faked the nuclear blasts in this movie.

 

[Cholentpot]

Yeah, around 1:35 in. No one is changing bulbs either. Maybe the production photographer, actually making photos? Quite a few of the off-camera crew include van Hoytema are carrying, as is typical.

I hear they also faked the nuclear blasts in this movie.

No...No real nukes? How could they? And It's not Oppenheim himself on screen? I heard they used a dupe.

 

[reddesert]

Oppenheimer's AEC security clearance hearing was in 1954 - there shouldn't be a Nikon SLR of any kind in there at all (or any 35mm SLR really, a few existed but not that would have been used by a US press photographer). The production photographer would never get in the camera frame like that with period costume but anachronistic camera, surely. Ordinarily I don't pick on small chronology errors (lots of "movie set in 1960 has a 1962 car" or whatever), but this one is a howler.

 

[bjorke]

So I guess we've figured out that this is a time travel movie. Spoiler, oops.

 

[mshchem]

Oppenheimer's AEC security clearance hearing was in 1954 - there shouldn't be a Nikon SLR of any kind in there at all (or any 35mm SLR really, a few existed but not that would have been used by a US press photographer). The production photographer would never get in the camera frame like that with period costume but anachronistic camera, surely. Ordinarily I don't pick on small chronology errors (lots of "movie set in 1960 has a 1962 car" or whatever), but this one is a howler.

Good point and it's a nice ftn meter prism

 

[Cholentpot]

Yeah, around 1:35 in (F2 I think, not F3). Only one guy is changing bulbs too. Maybe the production photographer, actually making photos? Quite a few of the off-camera crew include van Hoytema are carrying, as is typical.

I hear they also faked the nuclear blasts in this movie.

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I didn't see the photo. This is awesome. Maybe the props guy was like 'Whatever, it's film'

 

[cmacd123]

Kodak doesn't list a black and white print projection film. Could be possible that Nolan got double x slit to 65mm. Camera film seems easy, I wonder if Fotokem through some voodoo the printed this onto 70mm color projection film in black and white??

Kodak has always listed a B&W projection Pring film. currently 2302 and 3302 (16mm) that film has linage steching back into the Nitrate days. Not normally Listed as a 70mm stock, But even for Kodak that is basically a "simple" special request as the colour stock 2383 is already made in that format.

 

[cmacd123]

So the cameras take 65mm. Projectors take 70mm. I still haven't seen specific information about the exact films, only that they "created a black and white film"

goes back to the first 70mm (5 perf) wide screen movies (before Imax)
beside the bigger picture, they wanted Multichannel stereo sound. so they put 6 Magnetic Tracks on the 70mm prints effectively the stock was 70mm Perforated 65mm, with the sound tracks outside the perfoations on the prints. the camer shot 65mm stock and the perfs matched.

The IMAX folks just started from what was the existing standards, and jumped to 15 perf Pulldown (err Pull-sideways) they stopped using the tracks and either synced Magnetic tape, or digital recordings for the Imax Sound. although the wide edges probably help make the prints strong enough to to stand up to the Beater bar transport. I have heard that MANY of the first attempts to make an Imax projector were more effective as Film shredders.

 

[mshchem]

Kodak has always listed a B&W projection Pring film. currently 2302 and 3302 (16mm) that film has linage steching back into the Nitrate days. Not normally Listed as a 70mm stock, But even for Kodak that is basically a "simple" special request as the colour stock 2383 is already made in that format.

Thanks for the info. This is so cool!!

 

[Philippe-Georges]

D96 is the ONLY Approved developer for Movie B&W. Although if you are Chris Nolan.....

For those interested in D96, I dug into my old tech info:

 

[MCB18]

So where does one dig up the short ends for this?

I actually had the opportunity to get some, ≈400 ft BW 65mm film. Unfortunately, I couldn’t buy it. I didn’t have the $200 at the time, as I spent it on Aviphot earlier in the summer. Boy do I regret that now…

 

[Cholentpot]

I actually had the opportunity to get it, ≈400 ft BW 65mm film. Unfortunately, I couldn’t buy it. I didn’t have the $200 at the time, as I spent it on Aviphot earlier in the summer. Boy do I regret that now…

400 feet for $200?

Next time you see a deal like that come up please tell me.

 

[MCB18]

400 feet for $200?

Next time you see a deal like that come up please tell me.

$300, actually… that was a typo… still a screaming deal though.

 

[Cholentpot]

$300, actually… that was a typo… still a screaming deal though.

Yep. Still a great deal.

 

[cmacd123]

For those interested in D96, I dug into my old tech info:

And the entire set of document is amazingly available for FREE download from Kodak. (those used to be only available to movie Labs.)

look on this page https://www.kodak.com/en/motion/page/processing-manuals and you will find the entire B&W section is STILL module 15.

the D96 formula is on page 15-19.

 

[Philippe-Georges]

And the entire set of document is amazingly available for FREE download from Kodak. (those used to be only available to movie Labs.)

look on this page https://www.kodak.com/en/motion/page/processing-manuals and you will find the entire B&W section is STILL module 15.

the D96 formula is on page 15-19.

Very interesting link, thank you for that cmacd123!
The reportage about the navireargo.org is even more interesting, on the bottom that site there is a link to go that story...

 

[Richard Man]

... and one can buy 55 lbs of the Elon agent. For those of us who don't know Elon from a Musk, apparently it's hydroquinone

 

[mshchem]

... and one can buy 55 lbs of the Elon agent. For those of us who don't know Elon from a Musk, apparently it's hydroquinone

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It's Metol (Agfa's name)

 

[cmacd123]

... and one can buy 55 lbs of the Elon agent. For those of us who don't know Elon from a Musk, apparently it's hydroquinone

elon is also known as "Metol, and it one of the main B&W developing agents. If you need a smaller quanity, Photoformulary packs it https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/prod...phers_Formulary_10_0770_1LB_Metol_Elon_1.html

In canada, you can get it from Flic Film and their dealers.

Metol 100g | Film Experience

filmexperiencecamerastore.com

along with

Hydroquinone 150g | Film Experience

filmexperiencecamerastore.com

and trusty

Phenidone 100 Grams | Film Experience

filmexperiencecamerastore.com

(thanks to Flic it is now easy to get in canada, I may have to start mixing chemicals from scratch again. )

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

Metol is cheaper at Argentix... That's where I get mine.

 

[Philippe-Georges]

elon is also known as "Metol, and it one of the main B&W developing agents. If you need a smaller quanity, Photoformulary packs it https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/prod...phers_Formulary_10_0770_1LB_Metol_Elon_1.html

In canada, you can get it from Flic Film and their dealers.

Metol 100g | Film Experience

filmexperiencecamerastore.com

along with

Hydroquinone 150g | Film Experience

filmexperiencecamerastore.com

and trusty

Phenidone 100 Grams | Film Experience

filmexperiencecamerastore.com

(thanks to Flic it is now easy to get in canada, I may have to start mixing chemicals from scratch again. )

And for the colleagues in the EEC, there is the Italian Bellini who's distributing, at interesting prices, the main chemical components for home brewing processing agents...

 

[braxus]

I wonder how many projection prints were ordered.
As a single master roll of current production of 35mm still film is enough for close to fifty thousand 135-36 rolls, I expect that remains far more important for them.

As mentioned before, there are 30 15/70 prints being made. It actually playing in 70mm IMAX here in Langley next month and I've already got my tickets for the show. Last time I saw 70mm IMAX projected on film there was with Dunkirk back in 2017. They kept their IMAX film projector (and screen) at that theater. Seeing true 70mm film projected is a real treat. I've been going to IMAX films since 1986.

Some of this is in black and white. Does anyone know if the 65mm camera film is/was a black and white negative film?? I haven't a clue about Imax but 35mm cinema camera films are on acetate. Also begs the question are the 70mm prints on color print projection film?

I would be shocked if "real" (whatever that is) black and white films were used. This is so cool.

Yes this is true B&W 5222 film cut for 65mm. The film is strong enough too to use in the IMAX cameras. I think its on ESTAR base?? I contacted Fotokem once back in 2015 asking them if it was possible (I had big dreams back then) to develop 65mm B&W with them. They told me they have the equipment there to do it, but it wasn't setup or running. They asked me how many feet I planned to put through it, and my meager amount wasn't enough to convince them to get it running. Nolan on the other hand has big clout with them, Kodak, and the studios, so he could get anything done and possible. So Fotokem obviously got B&W equipment running just for him. Now whether that means its possible again in the future, hard to say, but this film does open the door for future possibilities.

A dream of mine would be to see a Western film shot on B&W IMAX, using turn of the 19th-20th century western sets. All that dirt, grit, old wooden buildings, etc, would look great in B&W on IMAX.