Really? Product photos, corporate portraits, and a slew of other types of photography that deal with lighting, directing and production. A cell phone can certainly be used for those, but it needs to be operated by someone with a modicum of photographic talent and skill.I think most clients already do most of what they need to do with cell phones.
Really? Product photos, corporate portraits, and a slew of other types of photography that deal with lighting, directing and production. A cell phone can certainly be used for those, but it needs to be operated by someone with a modicum of photographic talent and skill.
Take this from an assistant in the mid-1970s who didn't know how to load Hasselblad magazines....
yea .. but probably a gross generalization seeing nothing is every 100%. ..Really
...there's some need for a photographer but these days its mostly memes and NFTs...
You could rent a studio."
My photographs are, today, almost entirely graphic-artistic explorations. If I had more space and related resources I'd undoubtedly make photo-silkscreens.
Cough, cough ... NFTs? Are you referring to Non Fungible Tokens?
Bob
pretty much
"jtk'Ken, great story! Question: if you wanted to be a professional today, how would you go about it? Would you free-lance? Or you think there are photo opportunities like the ones you enjoyed for a younger version of you today?
they might be after ez money but they will eventually realize there is no such thingI'll have to have a look. I figured it was only a matter of time. The "easy money" seems to draw people to that world.
Bob
Photography is far better today than in yesteryear..
As jtk says, it's about clients.
When I was hustling, mid 70s, it seemed to me that wedding photographers only saw the bride and groom, plus maybe immediate family, as clients. For me, everybody at the wedding was a potential client, including the kids. 'You look so sweet in that dress, ask your mother if I can take some pictures of you'.
I worked on spec. Informal/candid shots outside the church. At the evening reception I'd collect as many names and addresses as I could by doing b+w walkie snaps. 'My numbers on your receipt. Give me a call in a week or two if want to see the wedding photos I took earlier today.'
There was some legwork involved in flogging the colour prints but hey, work is work. In just about every wedding I wangled myself an invite to, more people saw the pics I took than those taken by the pro.
I had to ask.Smart !
I had to ask.
Was this common.?
John51............looks like he has been gone for awhile. So i am asking you or anybody else.
Was he saying that he would hang out, on the outside of a Church where a random wedding was taking place.
Then......find out where the reception was, turn up there, and just start shooting and then pass out business cards, and hope people would contact him for prints.?
He did not know anybody at the Wedding/Reception. Nobody (Pro photographer if there was one) ever questioned what he was doing, or maybe told him to beat it.?
Sounds like stalking to me. And an easy way to get in trouble or hurt.Was he saying that he would hang out, on the outside of a Church where a random wedding was taking place.
Then......find out where the reception was, turn up there, and just start shooting and then pass out business cards, and hope people would contact him for prints.?
He did not know anybody at the Wedding/Reception. Nobody (Pro photographer if there was one) ever questioned what he was doing, or maybe told him to beat it.?
2nd shooters traditionally hand out their cards when they are doing reception candid work and try to slit the main photographer's throat. has been done for ages..I had to ask.
Was this common.?
John51............looks like he has been gone for awhile. So i am asking you or anybody else.
Was he saying that he would hang out, on the outside of a Church where a random wedding was taking place.
Then......find out where the reception was, turn up there, and just start shooting and then pass out business cards, and hope people would contact him for prints.?
He did not know anybody at the Wedding/Reception. Nobody (Pro photographer if there was one) ever questioned what he was doing, or maybe told him to beat it.?
Good Grief....not a pro photographer. So i had no idea.2nd shooters traditionally hand out their cards when they are doing reception candid work and try to slit the main photographer's throat. has been done for ages..
Nice try, but models don't hire photographers--except maybe beginners. And they sure aren't hiring 1st class photographers. There is a whole scam business of modeling schools and photographers deceiving young models.Richard Avedon is giving his card to the models
Good Grief....not a pro photographer. So i had no idea.
Sometimes an art director would try to piggy-back a freelance job along with an agency shoot. Some would call for favors of free or off-the-books, materials-only shoots if they used a certain photographer often. In fact, ad agencies would often try to get free shoots for spec work for pitches and for pro-bono clients. Taking side jobs from an agency client would spell the end of you career at an agency for sure. But many art directors and creative teams had freelance clients of their own, moonlighting and using agency facilities as much as possible without getting into trouble. On the other hand, photographers would sometimes try to shoot stock file photos on location where the agency (and client) had paid to send them and given them access.yea. happens often. when I was assisting back in the day, I remember people who worked in ad agencies were syphoning off jobs and photographers for side gigs, nothing new... I never did that, just did my job and when I had enough I left, whether it was when I was working for an environmental firm or freelance assisting. I guess they call it dog eat dog for a reason ..
Traditionally? Where I'm from, they get fired and earn a bad reputation pretty quick if they try to do that.2nd shooters traditionally hand out their cards when they are doing reception candid work and try to slit the main photographer's throat. has been done for ages..
im in New England outside of Boston ... someone I apprenticed with years ago told me her 2nd shooters were doing it in the 30s and 40s, and when I was assisting I heard stories both from people who shot weddings and people who I knew who were assistants, seemed commonplace. maybe its a regional thing?Traditionally? Where I'm from, they get fired and earn a bad reputation pretty quick if they try to do that.
not sure if this lady was moonlighting, or what she was doing but I remember the guy I was printing for told me the agency she was working for had no idea she snagged the jobs and hired him to do the work. she might have been getting ready to leave... reminds me of this guy ill call "the kid" who worked at this pizza place I used to go to for lunch ... the line was out the door and it was all regulars for slices and whatnot. ... the kid asks me for 5 bucks ( has been giving me food for a year so he knew me by name ) so I dug in my pockets and gave him a fin, he said he'd pay me back on Monday ... come Monday he wasn't there, or all week, I asked Ralphy his boss, he said "he asked you for 5 bucks too, he asked everyone in line he recognized and quit". .. might not be the same but as Larson E Whipsnade would say "count your change before leaving the window"Taking side jobs from an agency client would spell the end of you career at an agency for sure. But many art directors and creative teams had freelance clients of their own, moonlighting and using agency facilities as much as possible without getting into trouble.
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