Old Kodak Negatives - purple?

[koraks]

Yeah, that's a possibility. I do agree the negatives look very funny indeed, and similar to what you get with slide film processed as color neg.

 

[Romanko]

The purple cast is common to Kodacolor X (C22) film. I'm not sure if this is ageing and dye deterioration or it had a more purple mask compared to most C-41 films. Instamatic cameras were introduced around 1962:

Kodak Camera Film

Kodak

photomemorabilia.co.uk

 

[perkeleellinen]

I got some prints, quite hard work some of those negatives. It's too dark now so will show you all in the morning.

Tomorrow I'm going to continue making my life hard by trying to print some unmasked Agfa CN17 and Ilfocolor

My setup:

 

[koraks]

Cool project! And your setup is very nice and compact, amazing! How do you like the Nova for processing prints? I've never used one, but it seems quite efficient and practical.

 

[perkeleellinen]

It's no exaggeration to say that the Nova is the reason I can continue to print. That setup is in my son's bedroom which he is 'hiring out' to me at £20 per day! I've always had temporary or tiny darkrooms and the Nova makes it work. I can leave the chemistry in overnight which speeds things up and reduces the smell considerably. When I've finshed for the day I put the lids on the Nova and ventilate the room.

That's a small 10x8 heated trimate, I used to have a quad with four slots - the extra was good as a water bath before the print goes in the bowl. I've also got a much larger 11x14 quad but that needs repair to the taps (I live 5 minutes' drive from Nova Darkroom so will drive it there). I'm using the Adox RA4 kit which is great.

 

[mshchem]

From my earliest high-school memories Kodacolor-X C-22 negatives were a breeze to print. I fought Ektacolor-S but the Kodacolor negs were a breeze.

 

[koraks]

It's no exaggeration to say that the Nova is the reason I can continue to print.

I've always been sort of skeptical about the utility of these, but your account is very convincing! I can see how this is indeed a bit of a life-saver.

 

[pentaxuser]

What's the possibility it's cross-processed slide film? That's what I have that looks like that.

The purple seems too intense to result from red fading.

Maybe but I have some mid to late 1970s Kodak negs that have turned a very similar colour, if not quite as much as the OP They now produce some very acceptable b&w prints

pentaxuser

 

[pentaxuser]

I've been known to joke that I have Kodachrome in my veins.

Have you thought about leaving instructions to drain your blood after death and offer it on Photrio Someone here is bound to want to try and develop it

pentaxuser

 

[pentaxuser]

I've always been sort of skeptical about the utility of these, but your account is very convincing! I can see how this is indeed a bit of a life-saver.

Another fan of the Nova here. Mine was also from Nova Darkroom as well. Not cheap but for anyone with limited space they are a godsend. In terms of printing RA4 they are a true substitute for a Jobo Processor. You can do everything by feel in a way that is much less difficult than with open trays, in my opinion

pentaxuser

 

[MattKing]

Maybe the processor didn't know it was slide film and just processed it as negative.

I'm slowly going through my Dad's slides - editing and discarding many of them - prior to digitizing some of them. I'll try to remember to take one of the Kodachrome 126 discards to check to see what the edge printing on them looks like. I don't think there are any 126 Ektachrome slides in amongst them.

 

[Don_ih]

I may have some 126 Ektachrome in the freezer. I know I have some 126 Kodachrome (but that's useless).

 

[Romanko]

I know I have some 126 Kodachrome (but that's useless).

This is black-and-white film now. And not a bad one.

 

[Don_ih]

This is black-and-white film now. And not a bad one.

As an aside, what do you do to make Kodachrome a good b&w film? I've tried to eek something out of it a few times but got nothing useful.

 

[foc]

I got some prints, quite hard work some of those negatives. It's too dark now so will show you all in the morning.

Tomorrow I'm going to continue making my life hard by trying to print some unmasked Agfa CN17 and Ilfocolor

View attachment 385175

My setup:

View attachment 385176

When I used to make prints from Agfa CN17 unmasked negatives (in my minilab a few years ago) I would put a clear piece of processed C41 negative (just the orange mask part) between the light source and the negative. It made the negative "look" like it had an orange mask and it would scan with very little correction on a Frontier scanner.

I know you are making optical prints but the same principle, in an enlarger, may help.

 

[Romanko]

As an aside, what do you do to make Kodachrome a good b&w film? I've tried to eek something out of it a few times but got nothing useful.

Maybe we should start a new thread on Kodachrome as B&W?

 

[Romanko]

I would put a clear piece of processed C41 negative (just the orange mask part) between the light source and the negative.

Alternatively, as Gregory Davis suggested, you can use a combination of color-compensating filters: R-30, Y-35.

 

[perkeleellinen]

When I used to make prints from Agfa CN17 unmasked negatives (in my minilab a few years ago) I would put a clear piece of processed C41 negative (just the orange mask part) between the light source and the negative. It made the negative "look" like it had an orange mask and it would scan with very little correction on a Frontier scanner.

I know you are making optical prints but the same principle, in an enlarger, may help.

Thanks for the tip, I had thought about this but it turned out that the unmasked negs were not that hard to print compared to the faded Kodak negs from the late '60s.

Had hoped to share prints but again it's so gloomy here that it's already too dark at 2:30pm!

 

[koraks]

I know you are making optical prints but the same principle, in an enlarger, may help.

Yes, it does; it makes printing easier since filtration will be in / around a more familiar area. It works without the extra bit of masking film as well, but you need to really crank up M & Y to get where you need to be.
I understand that some enlargers came with an in-built orange filter, perhaps for this reason?

 

[MattKing]

Maybe we should start a new thread on Kodachrome as B&W?

That which is old is new again: https://www.photrio.com/forum/threads/kodachrome-as-b-w-neg.45429/

 

[foc]

Yes, it does; it makes printing easier since filtration will be in / around a more familiar area. It works without the extra bit of masking film as well, but you need to really crank up M & Y to get where you need to be.
I understand that some enlargers came with an in-built orange filter, perhaps for this reason?

I don't wish to go off topic but would the same idea (a clear piece of processed C41 negative (just the orange mask part, between the light source and the negative) work with the Harman Phoenix maskless colour film?

 

[koraks]

Yes, it does. I've done that with Phoenix as well.

 

[cmacd123]

Kodak kodacolur both C22 and C41 would be masked, and nothing but "plain" consumer film would generaly be found in size 126. Verichrome, Kodacolor, Eltachrome, and Kodachrome) Not sure if they ever sold 126 Tri-X for the retina 126 reflex. Basically only old AGFA colour film would have been sold without masking.

 

[cmacd123]

BTW, Both kodachrome and ektachrome were made in size 110 for the pocket instamatics, and Kodak made a CUTE Pocket Carrosel Projector. the pocket slides were smaller than 2X2 by default, BUT you could ask for 2X2 Cardboard Mounts. Those of course would not fit the Pocket Projector.

 

[MattKing]

BTW, Both kodachrome and ektachrome were made in size 110 for the pocket instamatics, and Kodak made a CUTE Pocket Carrosel Projector. the pocket slides were smaller than 2X2 by default, BUT you could ask for 2X2 Cardboard Mounts. Those of course would not fit the Pocket Projector.

And 35mm - 110 dupes were a significant sellers for Kodak Canada, because the 110 slides and projectors were great for sales representatives that travelled.
I have two of the projectors - which need service - and a big batch of the slides. They were all taken by my father when he and my mother travelled after Dad retired.
Together they gave rather amazing results.
I believe Dad mostly used a Pocket Instamatic 60 camera.