Nikon Photo contest held since 1969 will not accept film images anymore

[Poisson Du Jour]

This is a sure way to tarnish a brand image with Nikon specifying such pre-emptive rules. In any case, I would not buy a digital Nikon (or Canon!) camera. They don't last. Film does.

 

[ambaker]

good idea Ralph but I can't afford to get a Nikon DSLR and beat it to shreds with a hammer. Perhaps you can Ralph!

Well, you don't beat your own camera to death!

A tourist area, and an "accident" will do nicely...


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[LyleB]

Very disappointed in Nikon. Very bad for their image, not accepting a real photograph because they think it will beat their digital images.

 

[ambaker]

Very disappointed in Nikon. Very bad for their image, not accepting a real photograph because they think it will beat their digital images.

I'm not sure if they are really afraid of film images. If the EXIF is missing, then how do they know they aren't selecting a competitor's mid grade camera, over their flagship cam?

When it comes right down to it, I really would not expect any contest sponsored by a camera manufacturer to be a level playing field. What marketing department wants to fund an endeavor where the top ten places are won by the enemy?

Sadly, for digi-folk, there are few level playing fields supported by deep pockets. Back in the day, Kodak and Fuji didn't care a bit about what camera you used.


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[removed account4]

this is as strange as nikon not selling repair parts to repair shops anymore ...

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[PKM-25]

In any case, I would not buy a digital Nikon (or Canon!) camera. They don't last. Film does.

While it irritates me to no end they have done this, lets not get carried away, I have had three of those "D-something's" that all have been faultless and gone well over 150,000 clicks before being upgraded...

It's this kind of horse hockey that makes film users look like bitter Luddites...

 

[Prof_Pixel]

It's this kind of horse hockey that makes film users look like bitter Luddites...

Amen

 

[StoneNYC]

Considering that one of the categories is limited to a function from their Nikon 1 series, it appears that this "contest" has become nothing more than a marketing tool.

I doubt any bias specifically against film, ever crossed their collective minds. It is simply set up to showcase current Nikon efforts. Do you really expect any Canon, Sony, or other winers in a Nikon sponsored contest?

Even discontinued Nikon offerings winning would be a big surprise for me. Do you really want to tell the world your current cameras do not measure up?


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What category is the function and what is the function?


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[Halka]

The "D" category, it is explicitly stated that only videos using the motion-snap (or whatever it's called) function of Nikon 1 series camera are eligible.

 

[StoneNYC]

Canons have that feature too don't they? Taking a picture during video?


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[daleeman]

Anyone get a direct email or snailmail address to send the nasty notes to about no film images submissions yet?

 

[Michel Hardy-Vallée]

<Devil's advocate>

In the olden days, many photography contest would ask you for your NEGATIVE, for every image you submitted. On the one hand, this was to ensure the authenticity of images. On the other hand it was a stinkin' idea since these negatives would most of the time get lost, so that your prize-winner ended up a hapax legomenon (one of a kind).

In them modern times, you ask for camera files in order to reduce the probability of cheating, using EXIF and other file metadata to authenticate the photo. With a scan or a retouched image, you have none of this, so your image could be "borrowed" from somewhere else. As Nikon does not feel like evaluating negatives/slides anymore, they're only accepting camera files.

</Devil's advocate>

That said, EXIF can be fudged by people in the know, just like negatives could be duplicated by people in the know.

But people who are so technically proficient usually don't participate to photography contests.

http://www.nikon.com/news/2012/1025_contest_01.htm


•Eligible Works
•Categories A and B
•Image data files created with digital cameras (including medium- and large-format cameras). Images that have been retouched using software or by other means will be accepted. Both color and monochrome images will be accepted. (Scans of photographs taken with film cameras are not eligible.)

Nikon makes the greatest 35mm SLR of all time, and then, while still producing it, will not allow it's users to submit thier photos to Nikon's own contest.

That's not right.

 

[Rudeofus]

<Devil's advocate>In them modern times, you ask for camera files in order to reduce the probability of cheating, using EXIF and other file metadata to authenticate the photo. With a scan or a retouched image, you have none of this, so your image could be "borrowed" from somewhere else. As Nikon does not feel like evaluating negatives/slides anymore, they're only accepting camera files.
</Devil's advocate>

Devil's Advocate forgot an important line in their rules:

Images that have been retouched using software or by other means will be accepted.

You can submit manipulated images, but the original source had to be a digital camera. This makes a strong case for the suggestion of others, that Nikon rigs their competition towards their own digital gear and that this whole thing is nothing but a marketing ploy, and definitely not a serious contest.

The most devious thing you can do to these things is: ignore them. These contests are a marketing campaign and will fail, if fewer good images are submitted. Throwing a tantrum about this will only help them, since common people will only hear "film bad film bad Nikon digital Nikon digital Nikon digital". What they should hear instead is "Nikon contest digital yawn"!

 

[removed account4]

who cares ?

photography has been retouched, altered and manipulated since the dawn of photography.

if you were going to submit an image to their contest i can see why you might be upset.
why not submit a question about if they are going to have a nikon FILM contest ...

this thread is more of the same old same old ... digital v analog whining and complaining.

 

[lxdude]

this thread is more of the same old same old ... digital v analog whining and complaining.

No, it's about being summarily excluded for not using digital.

 

[Prof_Pixel]

No, it's about being summarily excluded for not using digital.

If it's OK to 'summarily exclude' digital discussions in this Forum, why does Nikon not have the right to 'summarily exclude' analog capture in their contest?

 

[Stephanie Brim]

If it's OK to 'summarily exclude' digital discussions in this Forum, why does Nikon not have the right to 'summarily exclude' analog capture in their contest?

They do. We just have the right to be pissed off at them for doing it.

 

[BrianShaw]

... so was anyone planning on submitting works to their contest, or is this an emotional/academic/civil rights discussion?

 

[PKM-25]

If it's OK to 'summarily exclude' digital discussions in this Forum, why does Nikon not have the right to 'summarily exclude' analog capture in their contest?

Because it is offensive...

There is no reason to exclude film photographers from a contest and frankly a lot of us are sick and tired of film and film based users being the butt of jokes, ridiculed, technically over-compared and now excluded. Digital is so overhyped it is simply disgusting at this point, the stupid death knells for film being heard over and over again when as a matter of fact, talented photographers, not techno-nerds who only care about the science and technology, are using film for their work, often along side digital as I do.

I could continue to use digital too as I have for nearly 20 years, but it's the attitude around it that makes me want to vomit. I hope to be done with it in less than 5 years and be all film only...

Nikon is alienating people here and I hope they change this fast, I wrote NPS about it last night, no response yet...

 

[BrianShaw]

... and frankly a lot of us are sick and tired of film and film based users being the butt of jokes, ridiculed, technically over-compared and now excluded. ...

I'm getting used to it. I just smile and nod. "They" can take that any way they want... and they do: some think it is a sign of arrogance and others think it is a sign of retardation.

 

[lxdude]

If it's OK to 'summarily exclude' digital discussions in this Forum, why does Nikon not have the right to 'summarily exclude' analog capture in their contest?

A very silly comparison.
A discussion forum and a contest are completely different things.

Forums are by their nature exclusive; they address a particular interest. Nikonians is about Nikon; no one's concerned about that. But try discussing film Nikons on there, much less film photography. The reason APUG exists is because most other photo forums discuss digital exclusively or there is so much that analog users have to wade through, while putting up with the occasional snide comments. APUG is about analog; it's in the title.

The Nikon Photo contest is long-established and well respected. It long predates digital. They now choose to exclude a whole class of photographers from their contest- something they never did before. When digital was used by only a few and almost every camera they made was a film camera, they did not exclude images produced by digital cameras. It is not called the Nikon Digital Photo contest, but that is what it has become. They have effectively declared analog to be not photography.

 

[Prof_Pixel]

They have effectively declared analog to be not photography.

Now, that's a silly statement!

 

[lxdude]

Now, that's a silly statement!

For the purposes of their photography contest, they have, in effect, declared analog to be not photography. Now do you get it?

 

[Prof_Pixel]

For the purposes of their photography contest, they have, in effect, declared analog to be not photography. Now do you get it?

Nope. They have simply said that for THIS contest, digital images are required. They have made NO statement about analog photography.

 

[PKM-25]

For the purposes of their photography contest, they have, in effect, declared analog to be not photography. Now do you get it?

Agreed...

Humans are not robots, they base a lot of response on emotions and perceptions. The first thing any of us did when reading that Nikon has done is ask why? So until we get either a press release that states why or someone from within the corporate structure as to why, then we only have our perceptions...

Imagine if you had saved up a year to buy an F6, got the Nikon World Calendar every year and looked forward to maybe even entering the contest only to hear this announcement...you would be offended...I am offended and I have let them know this and if I don't hear back from them in another 48 hours I am going to call the L.A. office of NPS and talk to someone about it...

They owe people an explanation at the very least...