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"Functioning Protoype" ?

To me it rather looks like a mock-up. One photo shows a version with knob, the other with hot-shoe. The hot-shoe itself is a model from bent metal, like from taken from some accessory, not milled. It got recesses for screw heads, but the screws are missing.
At the exchangable back: how ist the gate arrested at focal position?
What about dark slide and cocking gearing?
 
jnanian said:
yup and a instagram feed showing bunches of images made with it.
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They claimed to have a working prototype but the pictures of the "prototype" do not bear this out. The exchangeable mount is far too flimsy to ever function, the attachment of the mount to body is nonexistant, no details are shown but the parts simply aren't there. Same for the exchangeable back. Where did they get the shutter? Where did they get the mirror box assembly? Does anyone recall seeing pictures of these assemblies?
I don't believe they ever had anything near a working prototype.
 
hi evh
i am clueless to be honest, i give the benefit of the doubt
maybe they ran into a couple of snags or are bad at returning
messages or bad at updating websites+feeds &c
all i can say is i hope the camera hits the market
and it is affordable. entry level and affordable "parts"
( film backs and lens mounts ) sound great. lots of wacky lenses
people buy and get adapters to work on their cameras and
the adapter plate seems liike a good alternative. and the whole film back
thing sounds nice. plenty of MF cameras use this system, i always thought it was odd
that no 35mm system was made the same way ...
 
It's speculation, but the most plausible explanation for the lack of communication is that the Reflex team isn't a team anymore after they realized they couldn't deliver, and now they are fighting how to divide the debt, because the money has already been invested.

Yet another sad story which proves that producing a new film camera for a reasonable price is an illusion. The IHagee project, with a far more experienced team and a relatively simple objective, shows that it even isn't possible to resurrect an existing model.

I have said it before, if you compare these meager attempts with the Nikon F6 it's an absolute bargain.
 
Billy Axeman said:
It's speculation, but the most plausible explanation for the lack of communication is that the Reflex team isn't a team anymore after they realized they couldn't deliver, and now they are fighting how to divide the debt, because the money has already been invested.

Yet another sad story which proves that producing a new film camera for a reasonable price is an illusion. The IHagee project, with a far more experienced team and a relatively simple objective, shows that it even isn't possible to resurrect an existing model.

I have said it before, if you compare these meager attempts with the Nikon F6 it's an absolute bargain.
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The Ihagee project was a fraud, pure and simple. Their "prototype" was a photoshopped picture - not even well photoshopped.
 
E. von Hoegh said:
The Ihagee project was a fraud, pure and simple. Their "prototype" was a photoshopped picture - not even well photoshopped.
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Well, it's common practice for many camera brands to use photoshopped images or 3D printed mockup's as a preview for the final product. You can't deny the Elbaflex is an existing camera (Kiev 19M). I don't think it's a scam, it simply wasn't attractive enough to get enough backers.
I assume they played safe from the beginning and didn't invest much money in registering an Ihagee GmbH and setting up an extensive organization. Much smarter than the Reflex team.
 
Billy Axeman said:
The IHagee project, with a far more experienced team and a relatively simple objective, shows that it even isn't possible to resurrect an existing model.
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That team is questionable. The firm they allegedly worked for turned out to be fake.
One person related to that campaign shows up at another photography Kickstarter project and under a firm that I could not find a trace of.
 
AgX said:
That team is questionable. The firm they allegedly worked for turned out to be fake.
One person related to that campaign shows up at another photography Kickstarter project and under a firm that I could not find a trace of.
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You may be right, I don't know all the in's and out's. As far as I followed it, they were not completely honest to suggest there was an Ihagee GmbH, but my impression is that it was a precursor for what they intended to do if the kickstarter initiative was a success, and not to invest too much money in advance.
 
Billy Axeman said:
Well, it's common practice for many camera brands to use photoshopped images or 3D printed mockup's as a preview for the final product. You can't deny the Elbaflex is an existing camera (Kiev 19M). I don't think it's a scam, it simply wasn't attractive enough to get enough backers.
I assume they played safe from the beginning and didn't invest much money in registering an Ihagee GmbH and setting up an extensive organization. Much smarter than the Reflex team.
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Smarter? Less likely to get caught. Scumbags. And lying sacks of sh!t. In fairness, I think the Reflex people are just idiots without a lot of integrity. The Elbaflex crew was actively dishonest from square one, some are involved with other very questionable products - iirc the "Goerz Citograph" is one, and another is some sort of Busch "reissue"?
 
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The Elbaflex project, at its best, was an idea to start a small assembly line to use old Arsenal stocks, maybe make missing parts.
Not to restart the whole discussion again, but I do not see much reason for such resurrection at this moment. In contrast the Reflex project had even a little innovation.
 
It would certainly appear that Kickstarter does have its share of failures.

But there have also been some successes as well.

The Intrepid and the Wanderlust Travelwide are two cameras that I am very glad that I backed.

I think the only project I have backed that has not been successful is Ferrania. At least they are still trying and still communicate regularly.
 
They must be reading this forum. They posted an update today called "Overdue" and it's a bunch of mumbling about how expensive and hard it is to manufacture a camera. Well duh! Dead Link Removed
 
Since they haven't selected a "general manufacturer", I'm not sure how they determined how much it would cost to manufacture the cameras.
 
faberryman said:
Since they haven't selected a "general manufacturer", I'm not sure how they determined how much it would cost to manufacture the cameras.
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I love their use of acronyms with parentheses to explain them to us ignorant folk, also spiffy terms such as "film ecosystem".
 
Ignorant scammers..... Those supporters can kiss their money good bye...
 
farmersteve said:
They must be reading this forum. They posted an update today called "Overdue" and it's a bunch of mumbling about how expensive and hard it is to manufacture a camera. Well duh! Dead Link Removed
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From that article they say this......... "In April, our CEO Laurence has been invited for a tour at the facilities of Kodak in Rochester NY to discuss film photography. We will make sure to share our experiences with you here and on Instagram."
Anybody know who (Their CEO) Laurence is.?
I assume, even at this stage of the game, if Kodak Invites You To Rochester to discuss film photography, you must be a "Somebody".?
 
CMoore said:
I assume, even at this stage of the game, if Kodak Invites You To Rochester to discuss film photography, you must be a "Somebody".?
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While it might be interesting to do, taking a tour of Kodak doesn't help get the cameras actually made. It is time away from the project at hand.
 
faberryman said:
While it might be interesting to do, taking a tour of Kodak doesn't help get the cameras actually made. It is time away from the project at hand.
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Ah yes, but it diverts from the fact: that There Is No Camera.
And fools will think It Means Something.
 
CMoore said:
From that article they say this......... "In April, our CEO Laurence has been invited for a tour at the facilities of Kodak in Rochester NY to discuss film photography. We will make sure to share our experiences with you here and on Instagram."
Anybody know who (Their CEO) Laurence is.?
I assume, even at this stage of the game, if Kodak Invites You To Rochester to discuss film photography, you must be a "Somebody".?
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see him here:
http://www.laurencevonthomas.com
 
CMoore said:
From that article they say this......... "In April, our CEO Laurence has been invited for a tour at the facilities of Kodak in Rochester NY to discuss film photography. We will make sure to share our experiences with you here and on Instagram."
Anybody know who (Their CEO) Laurence is.?
I assume, even at this stage of the game, if Kodak Invites You To Rochester to discuss film photography, you must be a "Somebody".?
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If you scroll down the Campaign page you will see a short description for all the team members.
 
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