New Print Film from Bergger

[AgX]

As a matter of logic, yes. As a matter of terminology used in the industry, no.

 

[thefizz]

Now available: https://bergger.com/nos-produits/films/bergger-printfilm.html

I have been using Arista Ortho Litho film to make enlarged negatives by reverse process for Kallitypes which is time consuming but works well when I also flash the film to control contrast. Would this new Bergger film be easier to use? I might try it but its a lot more expensive than the Arista.

 

[ann]

Great for enlarging negatives to make platinum or van dyke prints. Will be interesting to try some

 

[Peter Schrager]

Now available: https://bergger.com/nos-produits/films/bergger-printfilm.html

I have been using Arista Ortho Litho film to make enlarged negatives by reverse process for Kallitypes which is time consuming but works well when I also flash the film to control contrast. Would this new Bergger film be easier to use? I might try it but its a lot more expensive than the Arista.

This film is just so different than the stuff freestyle sells. I have basically gone through a 25 sheet box and can attest to the ability to make high quality internegatives And then
negatives for alternate process...really scratch free..you use under normal darkroom light
Only drawback is the cost seems a little high but I did order from Europe...should be available in the USA end of March
Great film!!

 

[thefizz]

I have found the new Bergger film to be more difficult to use when reverse processing enlarged negs compared to the Arista Litho film. Also my 8x10 pack of the Bergger film has very fine scratches running across the film. Considering the cost difference,I’ll stick with the Arista film.

 

[NedL]

I have found the new Bergger film to be more difficult to use when reverse processing enlarged negs compared to the Arista Litho film. Also my 8x10 pack of the Bergger film has very fine scratches running across the film. Considering the cost difference,I’ll stick with the Arista film.

If you are willing, I'd be very interested to hear why you chose reversal processing over contact printing an interpositive to get to an enlarged negative. Is it mainly convenience ( one step instead of two ) or are there other reasons?

 

[thefizz]

If you are willing, I'd be very interested to hear why you chose reversal processing over contact printing an interpositive to get to an enlarged negative. Is it mainly convenience ( one step instead of two ) or are there other reasons?

Yes for the convenience of doing one process which includes flashing to control contrast. That’s the way Wolfgang Moersch thought me.

 

[NedL]

thanks!

 

[analog65]

QUESTION: If I project my 35mm film negative via my enlarger to some 8x10 Bergger Print film, I assume I will get a positive which then, in turn, needs to be contact printed to get an 8x10 negative. Am I getting this correct? Assuming I am correct, what is the point of the new Bergger Print film then? I can make enlarged negatives with Ortho film and for cheaper. Help me understand what I am missing?

 

[Rudeofus]

Yes, Bergger print film is basically a glorified version of ortho sheet film. It's black&white negative film. If you want to copy black&white negatives (e.g. to make reasonable cyanotypes from small/medium format film), you have to use a black&white reversal process. Bergger did provide contrast over dev time curves in their data sheet, but in the end you have to experiment to get exposure and development right.

PS: a friend of mine ordered a batch of this print film for our dark room (in Central Europe) months ago, and he still waits for product. Maybe others experience the same. This may explain, why there are so few data points regarding reversal processing of this film out there.

 

[Bob Carnie]

I purchased 30ft of 20inch it was $500 landed in Canada, I have not tested it yet as it is precious in price, I plan to make enlarged negatives from my Lambda with it, the same way I used Ilford Ortho, and Rollie Ortho.. I am curious about the quality of Litho Film as it is much less expensive.

 

[thefizz]

I have found the Arista litho film to be easier to work with. Yes it’s much thinner but if you handle it carefully then it’s fine. I still have some of the Bergger so will try it again.

 

[AgX]

Yes, Bergger print film is basically a glorified version of ortho sheet film.

It is not a orthochromatic film, but an unsensitized film. Blue sensitive.

 

[Rudeofus]

It is not a orthochromatic film, but an unsensitized film. Blue sensitive.

Wow, you're right. Bergger print film is somewhat green sensitive, that's why I called it orthochromatic. I just found out, that Silver Iodide is also somewhat green sensitive. Learn a new thing every day ...

 

[Bob Carnie]

Wow, you're right. Bergger print film is somewhat green sensitive, that's why I called it orthochromatic. I just found out, that Silver Iodide is also somewhat green sensitive. Learn a new thing every day ...

what safelights would you recommend for a large darkroom for the Begger product.

 

[Lachlan Young]

what safelights would you recommend for a large darkroom for the Begger product.

A Kodak #1 safelight is usually the safest option I've found with the slower technical films. Possibly look into LED if you want more illumination for a given bandpass. If the Bergger film has any relationship to Agfa's Avitone print films, then watch out - they do seem to have a little sensitivity out towards 600nm which could be a bit risky with some non red safelights. Do everything you can to avoid having to use the #2 filter - it's really, really low transmission!

 

[Black Dog]

Roxanne, you DO have to put on the red light!

 

[Peter Schrager]

Normal darkroom light is fine...I know
Stuff is virtually scratch proof...
Quality product long overdue...especially if you do any type of alternative process and dont care to make digital negatives
I made about 7 11x14 internegatives in under 3 hours and got great results.. the negatives take even less time..
I like to use hc110 diluted because i know exactly what I'm going to get ..consistency helps

 

[Bob Carnie]

Normal darkroom light is fine...I know
Stuff is virtually scratch proof...
Quality product long overdue...especially if you do any type of alternative process and dont care to make digital negatives
I made about 7 11x14 internegatives in under 3 hours and got great results.. the negatives take even less time..
I like to use hc110 diluted because i know exactly what I'm going to get ..consistency helps

Way to go Peter ... post some pics on FB .. when you have time.

 

[TheYoungPretender]

This seems to be sold out pretty much everywhere. Do you think that this is temporary or are they phasing out the production of the print film?

 

[Peter Schrager]

seems that it has been not available for a time now. you could try to order it directly from Bergger
directly...they might only have rolls.

 

[Lachlan Young]

The print film is probably an Orwo/ Inoviscoat cinema print product specially coated on the thick estar base.

 

[fs999]

This seems to be sold out pretty much everywhere. Do you think that this is temporary or are they phasing out the production of the print film?

fotofachversand has 120 rolls in stock.
fotoimpex says it will be available approx. 20.06.22

 

[marcoacqui]

fotofachversand has 120 rolls in stock.
fotoimpex says it will be available approx. 20.06.22

At the beginning I was thinking that they could have 120 rolls of print film material on stock... then I realized that you were talking about the medium format.
What a pity, I really liked this film and I shall have purchased it in the roll format (10 meter long).
Now I have fear it will never come again....

 

[Trask]

Now fotoimpex is saying August 1....