New Layoffs at Eastman Kodak

RattyMouse · Oct 22, 2014

Nehalem501 said:
I really hope they have, if not the situation might be even worse if something bad happens with EK...

Nothing I have read indicates that Eastman Kodak sold the intellectual property of their films to Kodak Alaris. The deal as I have read and understood it essentially makes Kodak Alaris a distributor of film. They cannot take the film formulations and go elsewhere (assuming that was even possible) should Eastman bail on film all together.

I will gladly be corrected if I am wrong, but I have seen no evidence to indicate otherwise.

Xmas · Oct 22, 2014

RattyMouse said:
Nothing I have read indicates that Eastman Kodak sold the intellectual property of their films to Kodak Alaris. The deal as I have read and understood it essentially makes Kodak Alaris a distributor of film. They cannot take the film formulations and go elsewhere (assuming that was even possible) should Eastman bail on film all together.

I will gladly be corrected if I am wrong, but I have seen no evidence to indicate otherwise.

It would not have been a sale EK owed the pension fund so used the

UK Harrow plant,
profit from stills sales,
...,

for trade

Now the profit from stills was obviously dependent on manufacture of film. KA would have been aware that the studios were creditors and had a price deal until 2015.

So they may have envisaged a fixed term in their budgeting for trade

Id imagine they could have got the IPR for use after film production stopped. But they would have needed to see a profit to have haggled.

I can still buy Plusx and BW400CN over the counter. There is not a premium. Film is not selling.

analoguey · Oct 22, 2014

:-D
We've one more Kodak to send love notes and hate notes to, then!

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Roger Cole · Oct 22, 2014

I'm glad YOU can buy Plux-X over the counter. I can't buy ANY film over a counter except for Fuji 35mm consumer C41 and even that is getting hard to find. I can't get Plux-X mail order anywhere I'm aware of, at least not in 120 and I've looked.

I can get all the current made films I want via mail order in a 2-3 days from New York, and I do, except for those I get in about 5 days from California from Freestyle generally either because I'm ordering some other stuff from them too (they'll ship most anything but there's a lot of chems B&H won't ship) or something B&H doesn't have like the cheap rebranded Arista Foma.

Judging from forum activity and the reports from Freestyle and such film is selling here, it's just an Internet market, not an over the counter brick and mortar market.

BrianShaw · Oct 22, 2014

You ought to move to LA Roger... last Friday I drove over to Freestyle to buy film. Their fridge is well stocked and the customer service is so good that I was in-and-out in about 15 minutes. My wallet was quite a bit lighter but there was no fuss involved except for navigating little bit of construction going on just down the street from them.

There is another shop in my area that had (saw it about a year ago but haven't been back since) a lot of Plus-X, but it is all 35mm. 120 Plus-X only exists in my refrigerator it seems.

StoneNYC · Oct 22, 2014

BrianShaw said:
You ought to move to LA Roger... last Friday I drove over to Freestyle to buy film. Their fridge is well stocked and the customer service is so good that I was in-and-out in about 15 minutes. My wallet was quite a bit lighter but there was no fuss involved except for navigating little bit of construction going on just down the street from them.

There is another shop in my area that had (saw it about a year ago but haven't been back since) a lot of Plus-X, but it is all 35mm. 120 Plus-X only exists in my refrigerator it seems.

If you liked freestyle you should come to NYC and go to B&H Photo, I mean, it's mind blowing how the operation works, it's massive and always packed!

removed account4 · Oct 22, 2014

BrianShaw said:
You ought to move to LA Roger... last Friday I drove over to Freestyle to buy film. Their fridge is well stocked and the customer service is so good that I was in-and-out in about 15 minutes. My wallet was quite a bit lighter but there was no fuss involved except for navigating little bit of construction going on just down the street from them.

There is another shop in my area that had (saw it about a year ago but haven't been back since) a lot of Plus-X, but it is all 35mm. 120 Plus-X only exists in my refrigerator it seems.

yeah

all that AND the staff knows what they are talking about
it isn't just to balloon the sale ...

john kasian has told me similar things ...

PKM-25 · Oct 22, 2014

StoneNYC said:
If you liked freestyle you should come to NYC and go to B&H Photo, I mean, it's mind blowing how the operation works, it's massive and always packed!

Been to both, Freestyle is incredibly proud to be a partner with this site, Ilford and film in general while B&H is just plain huge and knows it has to keep playing in the film game because it keeps more customers as they find convenience in the overall selection in one place.

I am thankful I don't *have* to visit either though and can have the stuff delivered to my little hamlet in the sky and keep on working..

Roger Cole · Oct 22, 2014

There is reportedly a camera store with film and even a lot of darkroom stuff but I've never been able to find it. I looked up the address once and my GPS took me to an abandoned warehouse. I think it's like Brigadoon and only appears at certain times...

I'm a suburbanite though and HATE driving on town.

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removed account4 · Oct 22, 2014

roger

there used to be a webpage devoted to
" addresses ( with photographs ) of photo stores
advertised in magazines and the internet"

it was pages and pages long of abandoned warehouses and apartment-doorways
and hole in the wall unmarked doors and unmarked storefronts. someone posted it here or the lf page
about 8-10 years ago i wish i remembered where it was because it was kind of funny.
like the abandoned warehouse your gps is taking you to, because that is the kind of place that it might be .. for real.

Roger Cole · Oct 23, 2014

Nah because I know Parker bought stuff there after the day I couldn't find it.

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Xmas · Oct 23, 2014

Hi Roger

Would you be telling me the last time you saw a Leprechorn?

Noel

shutterlight · Oct 25, 2014

The one thing I don't understand not being talked about more is highlight detail in film, as opposed to the severe problems that digital still has with highlights. Even the best digital cameras continue to struggle with blown highlights. One need only look at the average sports broadcast that features a quick transition between ground and sky, or has a lot of sky in it (like behind a subject). When I make a picture with film, I know that I can and will get just about everything that I'm looking at. Not so much with digital. While filmmakers generally have more opportunity to control for lighting situations, there's still a problem with highlight retention, and also how they're rendered in general. HBO's True Detective makes an excellent example-- the first part of Season 1 was done on film, and the skies/highlights were all well controlled. Later on in series, when filming was done with a digital camera, highlights were sometimes completely lost. It's not really good to look at when it happens.

I don't see that being discussed much one way or the other (out in the world, even amongst those who have a stake in it).

David A. Goldfarb · Oct 25, 2014

The original topic of this thread seems long gone. Feel free to start new threads for other topics.

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