You dont mean like Neopan or cine?
Foma would package for them Ilford and Agfa might to but rebadging in yellow boxes... why?
Yes, bringing film back to Harrow is a pipe dream.
It is possible that Kodak Alaris could buy Ferrania or Fuji film and rebadge it. How successful that would be is undermined.
With Kodak motion film sales down 90% this year alone, we might not have to wait long to see how this story ends.
Eastman Kodak makes all Kodak film. Kodak Alaris buys the still film from Eastman Kodak, and then markets it. Kodak Alaris also markets Kodak chemistry, and manufactures and markets Kodak colour photographic paper. Most likely, the colour paper is the largest part of their business.
Here in Rochester, there's still a really big hole where Kodak used to be...
I have understood this all along, but it still confuses me that the film boxes still say Eastman Kodak Company and have no mention of Kodak Alaris.
Dan, that is an EXCELLENT photograph! Keep up the outstanding work, as usual!
It is getting so hot and steamy in this thread! We need to throw some fixer on this mess. Ha!
UK Harrow and France did until 2004-5 don't think they did much cine they might not have had B&H perf or packaging.When was the last time Kodak ran a lot of consumer film on their coating machines?
Kodak did shift a lot of production around. I think for one year ALL the Movie Negative was going to be made in toronto, and I did get some short ends with EASTMAN SA'FETY FILM marked on them (Indicating toronto Production. And I also get one roll of Eastman Colour Marked SAFE'TY indicating French production.
Until a few years ago all Super 8 was done in France. They since moved it to Colorado, and then back to Rochester.
To be fair to Kodak they were trying to downsize without knowing where the market was going. They decided to pull everything into the most modern plant near head office, but that turned out to be too big.
If I was a Kodak executive I could understand being nervous about the alternative of closing Rochester and moving some production to Toronto or Harrow or Australia. All of which were in hindsight closer to the needed size. And All would have needed upgrades to be up to the latest standards.
Me too Jeff several times in a fifty year career, but I was never without a job for long, I even got another job at the age of 64 because I wasn't ready to retire yet .and I worked until I was 66.Losing your job is a bummer, it has happen to me several times.
Jeff
It's not clear if Kodak Alaris has any capability to change their film offerings. Do they have technical talent and facilities to produce new formulations?
Where would these be produced?
Without these, KA is nothing more but a marketing/sales office that can only offer up whatever Eastman Kodak gives them. When EK shuts down film production, KA will be unable to continue to sell film.
They (KA) seems to be stuck in a very hard situation.
Hmmm... So basically, Kodak Alaris can buy film from Foma and rebrand it as Kodak Tri-X, yes? I mean, I'm not far off, am I?
Technically they COULD do that, but realistically that would be suicide for them, film wise anyway.
Technically they COULD do that, but realistically that would be suicide for them, film wise anyway.
All the craft and so on can always be reproduced.
If Apple would like to change the factory in China where they make iPhones for whatever reason, they could do it. Why KA would nott if they are issues with EK ?
The difficulty is that it has been repeatedly asserted - by those who understand how film is made - that emulsion making and coating is not just a question of mixing up the correct ingredients in a pot and dumping them in a coating hopper; there is art and craft in the process as well as science, so that Kodak can make (e.g.) Tri-X exactly as it is because they have not only the formula but also the know-how in the workforce.
Accordingly, you could hand the formula to Foma, and you would perhaps get a decent enough film back, but it wouldn't be Tri-X, whatever you chose to put on the boxes. And of course by the same token if you gave the Fomapan200 formula to Kodak, you wouldn't get the same film out of their coaters that come out of Foma's ...
The question remains open whether enough people would really worry enough to not buy the Tri-X rebrand or remake ... but then again Tri-X has been reformulated by Kodak themselves a few times hasn't it? As presumably have most of the films on the market today.
I disagree, I think,
Just to put in a tiny bit of info for input rather, I think that you also have to look at the machinery. FOMA are you going to have issues with their emulsions, sometimes is a little bit of emulsion lift and thoughts on the film that aren't well coated. So if you run into the problem where the quality control factor comes into play and that particular producer could not produce the film properly into the same standards that Kodak because they physically can't do it because their machines aren't designed the same way that Kodak's machines are designed. The extreme example would be as if you were going to have EFKE coat some Kodak film, the Kodak might end up having some EFKEitis issues even though the mixture was Kodak's it wasn't layed down the same way as the specialize Kodak machine can do it.
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