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MattKing
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There were people who insisted that Palo Alto was the only place to send their Kodachrome to.....
I can only echo some of the comments above: With the loss of the superb Provia 400X there is most likely a niche for a fast slide film and Ektachrome 400 could be a perfect fit.
Another possibility could be an updated Ektar 100, which in contrast to the Portras shows some weaknesses. Especially the colors are strange and it would be great to have something in hands like the once leading Fuji Reala...
Another possibility could be an updated Ektar 100, which in contrast to the Portras shows some weaknesses. Especially the colors are strange and it would be great to have something in hands like the once leading Fuji Reala...
You obviously have a very large fixed income! Well above average I would hazard a guess. I too am on a fixed income but I can see that Tri X is well above the price of other equally good (and better) films. It is well known that drop the price of a popular consumer item it will disappear off the shelves faster than greased lightening.. It used to be (and it still is with most that buing a bulk roll to load your own was far cheaper than pre loaded cassettes, with Tri X, it has reversed the situation and it is as cheap or cheaper to buy pre loaded cassettes.
Oh yes, as a final note there is no need to be sarcastic, bordering on offensive. If you don't agree with anyone be polite, that is free.
Matt, you hit the nail on the head. The prices in the US are so much lower, because there is, practically, no wholesale distribution in the United States, B&H and Adorama etc. buy in such enormous quantities, that, the factories, in order to control fixed costs, make "take or pay" contracts, with volume triggered rebates back to B&H etc. Until recently B&H didn't charge state sales tax, let alone a 20% VAT.
I would be willing to wager that film is one of the most profitable segments of these enormous online retailers. Kodak, gave in years ago and cut out there local dealers, Fuji started it and Kodak followed. Direct sales to anyone that met the volume minimum requirements . I remember when B&H had Kodak films "made overseas for foreign markets" "film produced in the USA and spooled in some foreign land" and "Good, wholesome American made, American spooled". B&H joined the Professional Products Network. Dealers, that displayed the 55° F limit sign. And at the same time sold imported goods priced different, came in different packaging etc.
Freestyle started way back buying odd stuff from everywhere and packaging it. Now they distribute Foma products in North America, have their own line of sundries, chemicals etc and have enough education business that they can survive in a virtual duopoly in the US.
Kodak is selling every bit of Ektachrome they can make, thus Fujichrome Provia F is the inexpensive, B&H must have a take or pay contract with Fuji on Fujichrome . A couple years back B&H had a sale on close dated Fujichrome 35mm it was something like 5 or 6 bucks a roll. I filled a corner of my freezer. Now it's 3 times that. Shouldn't complain because without these kind of chicken or the egg, type of contracts, we may not have Fujichrome at all. i.e. Acros.
We had the choice of Brampton Ontario, (but with a Toronto address) and Vancouver BC.
YES! Along with a true replacement for Pan-X!
Yes. Only the return of Kodachrome or Pan-X is going to get me to buy Kodak film at these inflated prices.
It will do at least as well as Ektachrome!
Did Kodak (of Canada)sell Kodachrome with processing until the digital tsunami? I wonder at it's peak how many plants Kodak had making film. I'm sure the spy satellite and especially sensitive technical films, stayed close to home. But the movie prints, the zillion rolls of Kodacolor and paper especially when the automatic cameras, the point and shoot auto focus, the minilabs that had double print special offers.
That's part of why we mature types are sensitive to price. Film production was never greater until it was gone. Movie theaters converting to digital projection. And i phones hit at the same time. Poof it was over.
I sent mine to most U.S. Kodak labs over the years, usually selecting the one closet to where I was when finishing a roll. On several occasions, Palo Alto returned slides with spots on them. After moving to San Clemente in 1978, I concluded that must have been the result of municipal water like we have down here. I consider it analogous to our air quality, namely "crunchy."
The most consistently excellent Kodachrome results I got from U.S. Kodak labs was film processed in Fair Lawn, NJ. Eventually, I mailed film to that one irrespective of where in this country I was.
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Wishful thinking, I'm afraid, given the complexity of manufacture and processing (as well as issues of potential market size); That said, I'd sell my first-born, to make it happen.
My understanding was that the resoon that Kodachrome was sold without processing in the US was an antitrust ruling in the states. Any Canadian market Kodachrome I eve bought was always the "P" version, (ex KR135-36P) the edge print was different for non processing included film.
It is had to say as for example they both Coated and finished film in many places, BUT it is not 100% clear what was coated and what was just finished from day to day. MOST Kodak film I bought on the canadian Merket in teh 1960s was marked Kodak Canada, even bulk rolls of Plus x, BUT the bulk plus x was mared "Kodak S'afety film" while factory packed Kodak canada Plus-x was marked "Kodak SA'FETY FILM" I alos got a few rolls of Kodak Limited London Plus -x which was (as expected marked "KODAK SAF'ETY FILM." I recall someone who had a package of British High speed Ektachrome which said "Made in USA by Eastman Kodak, and Finished in the UK by Kodak Limited"
when NAFTA came in the Toronto plant was searching for a mission, and for a while made different products - one year Paper, another year ALL the Eastman Colour Negative for North America. I still have a envelope of Kodabrome B&W paper which says "Made for Eastman Kodak by Kodak Canada". Of course at the first sign of the film market weakening, it was game over for Camera Heights, as without tariffs, the Canadian market (at 10% of the US market) could be supplied just as easily from Rochester.
Known locations include Colorado in the US, (KOD,AK) and perhaps one other location, Mexico, (That may have only been Finishing) London (Harrow) , France (KODA'K) , China. Not sure about Australia.. and converting and packaging may have happened elsewhere. Kodak AG made Cameras, but not sure where they were as far s film, although I did see a picture of a Kodak AG film box.
What’s the current Tri-X “K’ODAK” mean?
Regularly people post that the costs of [fill in whatever brand you think is expensive] is priced high because the manufacturer is greedy. That company does not have a corporate goal to make a huge profit nor drain your bank account, they are covering their costs so that they can stay in business. The companies are working on very thin profit margins. It helps no one when someone claims that the prices are "outrageous". If one finds a product that costs less, than buy it but do not complain the company has priced the film to financially ruin anyone. If you have irrefutable proof that any company is raising prices to only line its pockets, then come forward and post it, but do not post statements like "The cost of TriX is just one step away from pricing itself out of the market." unless you can prove it.
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the older version would be "KODAK S'AFETY FILM" while the newer is just "K'ODAK" that applies to all the codes.
But not in the US since Kodak lost a antitrust law suit in the 1920's. Also see post #96.
Since we're using the way-back machine...
I remember working in a camera store in the 1980's in the US (San Diego) ...We sent film to the Kodak lab... Los Angeles?
Occasionally we would get a roll of 35mm Kodachrome that had white & black zebra stripes on the end caps...that meant pre-paid processing...aka film purchased outside the US.
We also sold mailers to customers to save them money.... mailers were cheaper than over-the counter sales.
In the 1990's when working at a CA State Park, we sent out our PKR-120 to Dallas, TX using mailers...because mailers cost less to purchase and were more convenient than dropping off the film at a Kodak-authorized camera store.
I remember working in a camera store in the 1980's in the US (San Diego) ...We sent film to the Kodak lab... Los Angeles?
Occasionally we would get a roll of 35mm Kodachrome that had white & black zebra stripes on the end caps...that meant pre-paid processing...aka film purchased outside the US.
We also sold mailers to customers to save them money.... mailers were cheaper than over-the counter sales.
In the 1990's when working at a CA State Park, we sent out our PKR-120 to Dallas, TX using mailers...because mailers cost less to purchase and were more convenient than dropping off the film at a Kodak-authorized camera store.
MattKing
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The US anti-trust consent decree was cancelled many years ago, after all the labs that sought to compete in the Kodachrome processing market left the market.
But process paid Kodachrome didn't come back in the US.
Eastman Kodak always sold the mailers though.
The North Vancouver BC Canada lab closed in 1984, when volumes shrunk due to the twin effects of the transition from slide to print film that the mini-lab revolution brought in, and the advent of home video. The video change was the most important - Kodak's high volume Kodachrome processing machines depended on amateur movie film for their existence.
There must have been a time when both Brampton and Camera Heights (Toronto) were operating Kodachrome lines at the same time, but Brampton would have been more modern.
I know that some of the colour print or unusual format work that came into the North Vancouver lab would end up in Camera Heights or Rochester. Some may have ended up in Palo Alto too.
It was only when Kodachrome volumes in Canada shrunk to un-sustainable levels that processing stopped in Canada, and film stopped being sold process paid.
At its height, the city bus sized K-14 machine in North Vancouver ran three 8 hour shifts a day. Each run had a mile of Kodachrome on the reel - 8mm, Super 8, 16mm, 35mm, 126, even 828.
But process paid Kodachrome didn't come back in the US.
Eastman Kodak always sold the mailers though.
The North Vancouver BC Canada lab closed in 1984, when volumes shrunk due to the twin effects of the transition from slide to print film that the mini-lab revolution brought in, and the advent of home video. The video change was the most important - Kodak's high volume Kodachrome processing machines depended on amateur movie film for their existence.
There must have been a time when both Brampton and Camera Heights (Toronto) were operating Kodachrome lines at the same time, but Brampton would have been more modern.
I know that some of the colour print or unusual format work that came into the North Vancouver lab would end up in Camera Heights or Rochester. Some may have ended up in Palo Alto too.
It was only when Kodachrome volumes in Canada shrunk to un-sustainable levels that processing stopped in Canada, and film stopped being sold process paid.
At its height, the city bus sized K-14 machine in North Vancouver ran three 8 hour shifts a day. Each run had a mile of Kodachrome on the reel - 8mm, Super 8, 16mm, 35mm, 126, even 828.
zebra stripes on Kodachrome indicated K14, while K12 was still in circulation. the early C-41 kodacolor II also had zebra stripes to help sort it from the C22 Kodacolor X. Kodak did all sorts of things like that to help get the right film on the right line.
Process included or not was indicated by the edge print. black lettering on a coloured background, or colored lettering on a black background. I think it was the black lettering was the NON included. and of course the ' code would indicate which region would have to pay the shot for processing.
MattKing
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The cassettes themselves also had a P after the end of the film designation - eg KR135-36P - if processing was included.
My Dad always bought Kodak pre-paid processing mailers for his Kodachrome, which is all he shot. When we were on vacation, he would pick the closest lab and send it. Took two 1st class postage stamps in the US. I still have a couple mailers. When he would get the slides back Kodak would include return address stickers to send it to Chicago, I seem to remember Prairie avenue?
I still have all those slides and they are PERFECTLY preserved. I moved them out of the damned Airquipt trays, into Carousels.
In the early 50's, those are the best slides, I came along in December of 56, so I have my whole childhood, in those precious images. My Dad was paying $1.20 for a dozen 25B flashbulbs. Those dimes were made of 90% silver, currently worth $1.90 each.
Nope. Film is as cheap as it's ever been and so is everything analog. If it seems expensive it's the value of our currency, Canada took the silver out in 1966, two years after the US.
That's why things appear tight.
I could live without Kodak products, but it would be sad. Hopefully I don't have to worry.
I still have all those slides and they are PERFECTLY preserved. I moved them out of the damned Airquipt trays, into Carousels.
In the early 50's, those are the best slides, I came along in December of 56, so I have my whole childhood, in those precious images. My Dad was paying $1.20 for a dozen 25B flashbulbs. Those dimes were made of 90% silver, currently worth $1.90 each.
Nope. Film is as cheap as it's ever been and so is everything analog. If it seems expensive it's the value of our currency, Canada took the silver out in 1966, two years after the US.
That's why things appear tight.
I could live without Kodak products, but it would be sad. Hopefully I don't have to worry.
Andrew O'Neill
Moderator
Canada ceased silver production of coins after 1968. I have a few quarters and dimes dated 67 and 68 that are silver. My mum started collecting them like mad when word got out.
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