New Kodak Film in 2021?

[MattKing]

Plus-X was nothing magical. General purpose medium speed film. People tend to glorify and romanticize anything they used which no longer exists.

But I found it just "ducky" (from two years ago)

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[NB23]

TMZ in 120 would be lovely.

Plus-x, because it was my favorite back then.

Aerochrome, would use it a lot.

 

[Wayne]

See those tones in the duck feathers? Only Plus-X can do that.

Those are actually pigeons, and only T-Max can do that

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

As I posted elsewhere, HIE.
Speculation, but not entirely unsupported speculation.

I would be thrilled if this were true!

 

[Ariston]

If anyone were to make 220 again, they would get all the 220 business.

Because it isn't a huge market, such a thing may be better suited to Ferrania...

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

... But it'll probably be some 35mm consumer grade colour films... High speed maybe?

 

[Sirius Glass]

Until it is officially announced it is vaporware.

 

[ludwighagelstein]

Not a fitting analogy, sorry. Alaris is more like 7Eleven than AMD. No manufacturing, no designers either. I am also renaming them back to Alaris in 2021, so there's only one real Kodak.

That´s the biggest nonsense i´ve heard this year. Not only is this an uniformed rambling but it´s insulting to everyone working for Alaris and committed to film. You know, many of those working for Alaris worked for Eastman before and ust transitioned into the new company in 2013. Andy Church, the guy in the video works for Kodak since 1988 and now works for Alaris.

 

[Tom Kershaw]

Andy Church, the guy in the video works for Kodak since 1988 and now works for Alaris.

I for one was impressed that a relatively large company like Kodak Alaris are prepared to engage with the Silvergrain Classics magazine. They can hardly reveal trade secrets via Zoom webinar but the effort is much appreciated.

 

[dutchsteammachine]

... But it'll probably be some 35mm consumer grade colour films... High speed maybe?

I would be fine with that.... maybe Kodak Ektar 1000?

After Fuji Venus/Relea 1600 got canned we've been stuck with 800.

 

[pbromaghin]

It was before I was interested, but how did Plus-x compare to FP4?

 

[Lachlan Young]

TMZ in 120...Plus-x

These are the two most likely to happen I think.

 

[Lachlan Young]

It was before I was interested, but how did Plus-x compare to FP4?

The major difference to my eyes is the spectral sensitivity. That said, PX tends to shoulder in ID-11/ D-76 and FP4+ doesn't. For whatever reasons, I find I strongly prefer the world as seen on PX as opposed to FP4+.

 

[wyofilm]

I would be interested to know if the driving enthusiasm for new films comes from the EK side or the KA side.

 

[ludwighagelstein]

I for one was impressed that a relatively large company like Kodak Alaris are prepared to engage with the Silvergrain Classics magazine. They can hardly reveal trade secrets via Zoom webinar but the effort is much appreciated.

Do you think it´s not worth engaging with? Not meant in any attacking way, I´m just curious. I mean, it´s the only magazine of its kind currently, and it´s a lot of work and comittment publishing a quarterly 100+ page print mag like that, that´s not only filled with portfolios but proper articles, documentaries from all over the world with a perspective on the bigger picture.

 

[cmacd123]

One previously available film may be brought back into production

Perhaps Plus-X? I'd bet that would sell well...

Actually, Verichrome Pan might be a better choice, it was made with an extended exposure range to work with Box Cameras, and that might just be an advantage oif you knew how to utilize it.

 

[Lachlan Young]

Actually, Verichrome Pan might be a better choice, it was made with an extended exposure range to work with Box Cameras, and that might just be an advantage oif you knew how to utilize it.

Verichrome Pan has been confirmed (by Bob Shanebrook) as using the same emulsions as 135 PX from the 1980's to withdrawal. I have also found some Kodak publications from the late 1950's that essentially stated the same relationship. PXP and PXT were different creatures. The statement you gave seems to derive from the sell sheet/ advertising for the original orthochromatic Verichrome - and is a comment that has been endlessly repeated in the last decade or two in publications and online.


Anyway, all this means is that the last version of 120 PX was closer to being a successor to VP than to PXP...

 

[Wallendo]

The only “new” film that would interest me would be Ektachrome 400. 200 doesn’t seem to offer any clear advantage over 100 for me.

a true IR film would be interesting, but I doubt I would buy much of it.

 

[mshchem]

I vote for HIE and a new Kodachrome designed to look like the original Kodachrome (I don't care what ISO speed 64? Are there DX codes for 64,32 etc?) it needs to be a E6 emulsion, maybe labeled ASA with iso in fine print. Maybe have 5 or 6 labs in the USA and Canada, run by Eastman Kodak that would offer the kind of processing that disappeared when Eastman Kodak stopped their processing labs. As far as prints and slides there's never been an equal.....

Can you imagine Portra 160 printed optically with modern video analyzers. I would pay a dollar a print for 3 1/2 × 5" prints from 135.

 

[MattKing]

You know, many of those working for Alaris worked for Eastman before

More accurately, worked for Eastman or one of its international subsidiaries, like Kodak Limited (UK) or Kodak Canada or ...

 

[MattKing]

Actually, Verichrome Pan might be a better choice, it was made with an extended exposure range to work with Box Cameras, and that might just be an advantage oif you knew how to utilize it.

In its last years, it was Plus-X emulsion on 120 or 620 base, with less effective anti-halation than that used with normal Plus-X.

 

[MattKing]

I would be thrilled if this were true!

You might be both happy and unhappy, because I would guess that 35mm only is a real possibility.

 

[MattKing]

I would be interested to know if the driving enthusiasm for new films comes from the EK side or the KA side.

For Ektachrome, it was KA, but the opportunity to also make it in Super 8 for EK helped with the viability issue.
It isn't going to be 220, because that isn't a new film, that is different confectioning.

 

[wyofilm]

Along with E6 chromes, a way to directly print them in the darkroom. (since we are wishing)

 

[MattKing]

Maybe have 5 or 6 labs in the USA and Canada, run by Eastman Kodak that would offer the kind of processing that disappeared when Eastman Kodak stopped their processing labs.

That business, or at least support for it, is now owned by Sino Promise Group - Kodak Alaris just sold it.
Eastman Kodak has had nothing to do with anything other than movie labs since the bankruptcy settlement.