New Ilford film being Introduced

[MattKing]

I agree. I like increased response to toning, and more speed matching into the higher grades. Better blacks, and slightly warmer tones is good as well.

 

[summicron1]

It's an excellent film - essentially FP4+ without red sensitivity - I like its colour sensitivity much more than FP4's. Unlike most Ortho films on the market, it's a normal (can be boosted where needed) contrast film. Wonderful for pebbledash and textures. Boost the contrast up & with the right subject matter you'll get something of the wetplate look without needing to play with noxious chemistry. More importantly, it helps safeguard a crucial technical/ darkroom/ masking film in Ilford's range.

I"m actually very interested in this aspect of the film -- the idea that it will duplicate the wet plate/really old look that panchromatic films did away with. Having it in 135 and 120 formats makes it a LOT more usable for us folks who are lazy and like the convenience of just loading film into their Rollei or Leica and firing away.

Of course, wasn't aware of the 4 by 5, so may try some of that as well.

So despite the nay-saying by some of you guys -- companies very rarely announce the next Kodachrome II, advances are usually in phases and by steps -- I'm actually excited by this.

 

[Adrian Bacon]

And here’s the tech sheet: https://www.ilfordphoto.com/amfile/file/download/file/1952/product/745/

 

[Adrian Bacon]

I agree. I like increased response to toning, and more speed matching into the higher grades. Better blacks, and slightly warmer tones is good as well.

As soon as Roberts has some available to order I’ll get some in and give it a spin. I’ve got some negatives I’ve been sitting on that I’d like to try out on it.

 

[Oren Grad]

And here’s the tech sheet: https://www.ilfordphoto.com/amfile/file/download/file/1952/product/745/

Thanks, Adrian!

It looks like a lot has changed - compared to MGIVRC it looks to be faster, contrastier at the low-to-mid filtration grades, to have a smoother midtone curve (yay!) but possibly a shorter toe at some or all of the grades - a bit difficult to disentangle this last from the contrast change, given how the curves are stacked on the charts.

At any rate, I'm looking forward to trying it.

 

[Oren Grad]

Here’s a comparison between the new V vs IV. https://www.ilfordphoto.com/amfile/file/download/file/1954/product/745/

It looks good

Hah - I posted after reading the data sheet, but before seeing this one. Kudos to Harman for providing this informative direct comparison, and thanks to Adrian for posting the link.

 

[mshchem]

Here’s a comparison between the new V vs IV. https://www.ilfordphoto.com/amfile/file/download/file/1954/product/745/

It looks good

Toning in selenium tends towards aubergine, which sounds better than purple-brown. I hope it's not to different. I'm very eager to get a bit.

 

[radiant]

Hah - I posted after reading the data sheet, but before seeing this one. Kudos to Harman for providing this informative direct comparison, and thanks to Adrian for posting the link.

Yes, that comparison was a nice add-on. And with the negativity on this "release": I think this is 110% a good thing. Film is totally not dead and the signal is more than positive (no puns here) that a player like Ilford develops new film products. That is actually too good.

I will definitely use the ortho film. I have a project for that already. We have plenty of "standard" ISO films and I think it was a great add on to expand to a bit "stranger" side than just develop new ISO 400/100 whatever film.

 

[Adrian Bacon]

Hah - I posted after reading the data sheet, but before seeing this one. Kudos to Harman for providing this informative direct comparison, and thanks to Adrian for posting the link.

Yeah, looks like a nice step up

 

[Frank53]

Tim Rudman has a review of the Multigrade V paper in his newsletter.
http://www.timrudman.com/
Regards,
Frank

 

[Lachlan Young]

I actually bought 5 boxes of out of date Ortho Plus a couple of months ago for next to nothing. now its highly publicized I will be able resell for a profit and buy some fresh fp4.

I wonder how curly it is, Ortho tends to be thinner than normal. Not a problem with sheet film.
It has a nice tonal range for portraiture. Think it would work well with a nice cooltone paper.
Not very good for taking pictures of fluffy white clouds against a blue sky, but should be good on gloomy cloudy days.
Would work well with yellow, orange, green and even blue filters, not so well with red.
I would give it a go, but my roll film draw in the fridge is full.

Well, you've clearly never used any. Unlike a re-purposed litho/ duplicating film on thin poly base, Ortho plus is on exactly the same base as its siblings in the Ilford range. Depending on how you process & print it can look remarkably panchromatic - no problems with weird sky tones (that is as much a function of exposure and process as it is with any panchromatic film).

 

[radiant]

Tim Rudman has a review of the Multigrade V paper in his newsletter.
http://www.timrudman.com/

Direct link: https://tinyletter.com/timrudman/letters/tim-rudman-s-newsletter-october-2019

I asked about the availability of new paper from nordphoto but they said V paper is going to slowly replace IV .. Does anyone know where to get the paper in europe? I'm already out of paper so I should order new soon anyways..

 

[miha]

Direct link: https://tinyletter.com/timrudman/letters/tim-rudman-s-newsletter-october-2019

I asked about the availability of new paper from nordphoto but they said V paper is going to slowly replace IV .. Does anyone know where to get the paper in europe? I'm already out of paper so I should order new soon anyways..

You can try here: https://www.ag-photographic.co.uk/new-mg-rc-v-delux-569-c.asp

 

[Raghu Kuvempunagar]

The newly introduced Ortho film in 35mm and 120 formats is substantially pricier than its panchromatic siblings.

https://www.ag-photographic.co.uk/ilford-ortho--495-c.asp

 

[Anon Ymous]

The newly introduced Ortho film in 35mm and 120 formats is substantially pricier than its panchromatic siblings.

https://www.ag-photographic.co.uk/ilford-ortho--495-c.asp

Considering how much it will likely sell, the price seems about right.

For the record, it is £8.69 vs £5.19 for FP4+, all 135 36exp.

 

[radiant]

The newly introduced Ortho film in 35mm and 120 formats is substantially pricier than its panchromatic siblings.

https://www.ag-photographic.co.uk/ilford-ortho--495-c.asp

I hope this store has just a bit higher prices, I really hope. Strange that fotoimpex doesn't have the new stuff in stock either..

AG Photographic:

5x7 pearl 100pcs = 31 euros
8x10 pearl 100pcs = 60 euros
120 size Ortho 80 = 9.68 euros per roll

Shipping to finland 22 euros. I might just wait ..

 

[Lachlan Young]

Considering how much it will likely sell, the price seems about right.

For the record, it is £8.69 vs £5.19 for FP4+, all 135 36exp.

I agree - it's a specialty product & is cheaper than SFX, and a little more expensive than Delta 3200. If they want to see further new products, people need to start paying realistic prices for film etc, not the prices they feel entitled to.

 

[pentaxuser]

Maybe I am a strange person in terms of what is value for money to me but while I might buy Ortho once or even once in a while at this price as I have never tried it before then unless it gives me something that I then believe I cannot live without in terms of prints from negs then at over £3 more expensive per film than FP4 I am very unlikely to use it often. On a regular use basis is it £3+ better than FP4 would be the question I ask myself.

If this is what Ilford needs to sell it at then that's the end of the matter but if its only a little better than the equivalent panchromatic film but a lot more expensive than it will affect my purchase decisions

Of course we do not know what Ilford is charging its retailers and more importantly we only appear to have one stockist at the moment. Retail competition over the next few weeks/months will help determine the "true" competitive price

pentaxuser

 

[Helge]

Seems like a pretty stupid move if that price is the true one, and not an opportunistic one set by some smartarse.
It's got to be cheaper to make since there is likely no colour couplers.
At least make it the same price as FP4.

 

[miha]

Well, Rollei Ortho 25 Plus 135-36 is 8,19 EUR.

 

[Raghu Kuvempunagar]

If they want to see further new products, people need to start paying realistic prices for film etc, not the prices they feel entitled to.

I've nothing against Ilford pricing its new products as it deems fit. FWIW ortho film albeit low ISO is available in 35mm from Astrum at less than 1.5 USD per meter. Quite a nice film. Maybe Ilford is like BMW i8 and Astrum is like Hyundai i10 and both will have their place in the market.

 

[Lachlan Young]

Seems like a pretty stupid move if that price is the true one, and not an opportunistic one set by some smartarse.
It's got to be cheaper to make since there is likely no colour couplers.
At least make it the same price as FP4.

No, all ortho films use sensitising dyes - and even purely blue sensitive films often use acutance dyes.
It's a specialty variant on FP4+ coated perhaps once a year. It's not a cheap litho/ high contrast duplicating film repackaged, but a normal contrast camera film that just happens to not be red sensitive. It does not need special development or other painful procedures to make easy to print negatives. If you want the ortho look without wasting time on playing around with developers, it does it.

 

[pentaxuser]

You make some good points about its advantages over other ortho films. If there are enough ortho users out there or if enough newcomers to ortho can be converted to ortho use on a reasonably frequent basis then the Ilford price which we don't know might be pitched correctly and if the retail mark-up which is the price we see, is more than it needs to be then competition should gets us to the "real consumer price" quite quickly

It is like a lot of other things that we will not change by complaining. We either accept it or vote with our wallets and don't buy it. Complaining about price may make us feel better but that's about all it will do.

pentaxuser

 

[Guillaume Zuili]

I use a lot of rollei ortho 25 and I will happily take that extra speed offered by Ilford. Wish they went the extra mile and go to 400.
My take on ortho happened when I got some old Tri-x ortho. Very old... But just amazing !
Now ortho is in my bag all the time. That combo with lith printing is terrific.

G.

 

[Rudeofus]

It's a specialty variant on FP4+ coated perhaps once a year. It's not a cheap litho/ high contrast duplicating film repackaged, but a normal contrast camera film that just happens to not be red sensitive.

They must have put in a lot of effort to avoid this pesky red sensitivity ... amazing that they got as high as ISO 80!

Seriously, they saved on red sensitizer, and brought nothing which can not be replicated with FP4+ or Delta 100 and a Wratten 44A filter. Yes, it's a specialty film - and for good reason. It will attract lots of "I've got to try this once!" folks, who then move on to the next "big thing".