New half frame camera from Agfaphoto

[Huss]

I can see why the half-frame versions of these cameras would be popular -- the price of film is cut in half, and the LOMO effects are double those of the full-frame version.

So when I want LOMO, I'll stick with my TELEPATHY half-frame.

What LOMO effects?

Taken with the Kodak H35 which is the same as the Agfa

 

[Huss]

I think I'll stick with my SUPERHEADZ TELEPATHY halr-frame with a 22mm wide-angle lens, f-stops of f8.5 & f11, and a hot shoe for my flash -- for complete auto-exposure control -- when I want LOMO shots.

That camera takes terrible pics from the examples I've seen online. I'd much prefer the Agfa which is available new, and at a fraction of the cost.

 

[retina_restoration]

The results will be the same as all the other 31mm fixed focus built in flash cameras out there, reskinned in whoever is trying to sell it.

But really, why don't you pick one up anyway? They're like $20.

Why not? Because it will be more plastic landfill in 6-12 months.

 

[Huss]

Why not? Because it will be more plastic landfill in 6-12 months.

Why throw it away? It will be added to his collection of other cameras he doesn't use.

 

[xkaes]

Not necessarily. Though the image will be enlarged more the film will also be placed (presumably) in the center of the lens coverage. Any badly deteriorated performance of the lens at the corners won't appear (or appear as much) on the half frame.

Good point, but I seriously doubt that the 22mm lens on my Telepathy would come close to full-frame capability.

 

[xkaes]

Why not? Because it will be more plastic landfill in 6-12 months.

Do you think it would last that long?

 

[xkaes]

That camera takes terrible pics from the examples I've seen online. I'd much prefer the Agfa which is available new, and at a fraction of the cost.

You missed my entire point. I stated "when I want LOMO effects" I'll use my Telepathy. The lens on the Telepathy is entirely different from the Kodak H35.

 

[Huss]

You missed my entire point. I stated "when I want LOMO effects" I'll use my Telepathy. The lens on the Telepathy is entirely different from the Kodak H35.

Ok, so you can still get the Agfa or Kodak 1/2 frame if you want decent shots w/in their exposure envelope.

The funny thing is these cameras with their fixed exposure of 1/120 & f10 make them more suitable to experienced photogs who can push/pull film developing to broaden their use.

 

[Don Heisz]

Taken with the Kodak H35 which is the same as the Agfa

The Kodak doesn't look at all like the Agfa, though. The distance between the viewfinder and the flash is different, the size of the plastic around the lens is different, the overall shape is different, the Agfa has a sliding flash button, looks like the Kodak has it on the lens bezel. And the Kodak has a 22mm, f9.5 lens. (The Agfa has a ... whatever)

 

[xkaes]

Ok, so you can still get the Agfa or Kodak 1/2 frame if you want decent shots w/in their exposure envelope.

When I want good half-frame results, I'll use my Agat 18 -- which offers control of the shutter and aperture, has a focusing lens, and a hot shoe.

 

[Huss]

The Kodak doesn't look at all like the Agfa, though. The distance between the viewfinder and the flash is different, the size of the plastic around the lens is different, the overall shape is different, the Agfa has a sliding flash button, looks like the Kodak has it on the lens bezel. And the Kodak has a 22mm, f9.5 lens. (The Agfa has a ... whatever)

Those are just cosmetic things. The main specced difference is the nice way you turn on the flash w the Kodak. But for there to be this sudden influx, at the same time, of all these look-a-like cameras? Made by the one same mfg.

The lens is different on the 1/2 frame vs the FF. But I'm pretty sure the Agfa is the same as the Kodak - and 22mm-ish. As for 9.5? 9.5, 10 - no real difference.

As for the FF plastic Kodak - it too has a 31mm lens. Just like the FF Agfa. And Ilford. And Harmon. Coincidence? Methinksnot.

 

[Don Heisz]

Those are just cosmetic things. The main specced difference is the nice way you turn on the flash w the Kodak. But for there to be this sudden influx, at the same time, of all these look-a-like cameras? Made by the one same mfg.

Maybe. Even if they are, they can be made to different quality levels. The Kodak may be made to higher spec than these Agfa ones. The factories will make things as good as you tell them to.

 

[Huss]

Maybe. Even if they are, they can be made to different quality levels. The Kodak may be made to higher spec than these Agfa ones. The factories will make things as good as you tell them to.

If you've ever handled these things, they are made to the same super low spec.

 

[Don Heisz]

If you've ever handled these things, they are made to the same super low spec.

I'll take your word for it.

 

[xkaes]

There are so many versions of those simple half-frame & full frame cameras -- Escura SNAP Half, Kodak H23, Agfaphoto Half Frame, SUPERHEADZ, etc. The factory obviously is set up to make changes quickly, as requested. The guts are all the same.

 

[foc]

The guts are all the same.

+1

 

[Huss]

+1

Which loops us back to the 50mm 5.6 claim!

 

[Don Heisz]

Ahem

50mm 5.6

 

[Huss]

If someone is willing to send me one, I'll happily test it alongside my Kodak H35 to see if the lenses are indeed the same. Shots of the same subject taken from the same spot etc.

Right now, looking at the physical shape of it, I am calling balderdash!

 

[xkaes]

Ahem

View attachment 331995

50mm 5.6

Thanks for sending that. While it doesn't resolve the 50mm f5.6 dilemma, it does show its ubiquity. I like the green, but not enough to buy one. My Telepathy fills the bill.

 

[albada]

Yes, we know. These are all cheap plastic cameras made by one mfg. easy to find anywhere.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1621177-REG/agfaphoto_603000_analog_35mm_foto_kamera.html/?ap=y&ap=y&smp=y&smp=y&smpm=ba_f2_lar&lsft=BI%3A514&gclid=Cj0KCQiAgaGgBhC8ARIsAAAyLfFbDsOgA0Qy5vzBaDjrrRwvZZ0FHQ0UIUI6Xl_v8AvqlbKtQR2e1kwaAnTzEALw_wcB

The description in the bhphotovideo site linked above includes this:

The camera has a fixed-focus wide-angle lens, perfect for capturing most well-focused daylight scenes...​

Okay, if the scene is well-focused, then you don't need to focus the lens. Got it.

Mark

 

[foc]

If someone is willing to send me one, I'll happily test it alongside my Kodak H35 to see if the lenses are indeed the same. Shots of the same subject taken from the same spot etc.

I will gladly do that but I am on a different continent. I'm sure I can purchase it from a USA based online site if you want to PM me your address.

 

[Huss]

I will gladly do that but I am on a different continent. I'm sure I can purchase it from a USA based online site if you want to PM me your address.

That's very kind of you! But I couldn't do that. I'll pick one up myself once they are on Amazon.

 

[foc]

That's very kind of you! But I couldn't do that. I'll pick one up myself once they are on Amazon.

Well you are more than welcome because I know you will do the test correctly.

 

[Huss]

Oh look - another one! Also saying 50mm 5.6