New Group: Photrio Photographic Arts Standards

[faberryman]

Isn't this a general forum? I am fairly new to Photrio, so not sure how everything works. This seemed the most appropriate place to put it.

When I uncheck Hybrid the thread disappears.

 

[markjwyatt]

...Weird that only photographers ask how the photo was taken or what camera etc. Regular people just enjoy them. If they relate to it, they will buy it regardless of the process.

Not really that weird. I see that in other contexts also. That is a good point.

Thanks for the compliments, by the way.

:Niranjan.

You are welcome. I suspect they would look even better in person where the textures of the materials may play into it?

 

[markjwyatt]

When I uncheck Hybrid the thread disappears.

Maybe I checked "Hybrid" when I created this? Could an admin make it "None" please?

EDIT: I see it is labeled "H". darn.

 

[TheFlyingCamera]

We could create a tag for you "Photrio: Standards Averse"

The idea is not to hamper creativity nor force anyone into any mold. The idea is to be more open to whatever degree the photographer/artist/etc. wants to be, and to make it easy to do so, as well as to get others interested in the photographic arts to ask artists to be more open.

Imposing standards on something that is ultimately, inherently creative and fluid IS trying to force people into a mold. And since there is no governing body licensing photographers (Thank god!) there is no way to apply these standards. You'd end up with the equivalent of the PPA, where so much of the work being shown fits a very narrow pattern.

 

[Patrick Robert James]

This

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a

bad

idea.

 

[markjwyatt]

Imposing standards on something that is ultimately, inherently creative and fluid IS trying to force people into a mold. And since there is no governing body licensing photographers (Thank god!) there is no way to apply these standards. You'd end up with the equivalent of the PPA, where so much of the work being shown fits a very narrow pattern.

I do see your point, but I think the word "Imposing" is key. I am not talking about imposition. I see a lot of confusion/discussion/argument about what a photograph is, what photography is, etc. Since these standards would be fairly open many ideas could be integrated. We could wait for Merriam and Webster to define things for us, or we could take a stab at it (those wishing to try). We could just not define things also, but then we go full circle.

 

[Willyekerslike]

This

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bad

idea.

Yes of course it is but you see there is a type of person in any group who likes to think he/she is a leader and a leader needs you to follow his/her rules or at least rules he/she has had most input into forming.

Art is subjective, if you try to pin it down to set of rules then you have obviously no idea what the word subjective means......

OP, if you want to start a group go right ahead there are plenty of sheep in the world, followers, who will trot along quite happily beside you. Every club society had these 'leaders' some are good some are bad,They will make you feel good as a leader while the rest, with sufficient intelegence for original thought, will continue creating art.

 

[Dali]

You do know that Giclee translates to Ejaculation.... t

Maybe in Canadian French...

 

[Dali]

As time goes on "photrio" seems increasingly strange to me.

+1.

 

[markjwyatt]

Yes of course it is but you see there is a type of person in any group who likes to think he/she is a leader and a leader needs you to follow his/her rules or at least rules he/she has had most input into forming.

Art is subjective, if you try to pin it down to set of rules then you have obviously no idea what the word subjective means......

OP, if you want to start a group go right ahead there are plenty of sheep in the world, followers, who will trot along quite happily beside you. Every club society had these 'leaders' some are good some are bad,They will make you feel good as a leader while the rest, with sufficient intelegence for original thought, will continue creating art.

So do you do "art" or "photography" or both or neither? Should the owners rename this site to artrio instead of photrio? What does the "pho[t]" in photrio imply? Nothing? Art? Photography? What is photography? Shall we try to define it for ourselves or let Merriam and Webster define it for us? I don't know, and am not naturally a leader either. I just thought this was an interesting idea based on many comments I have been reading about the nature of photography. Sorry if it triggered you. Then again artists tend to be somewhat emotional!

 

[markjwyatt]

As time goes on "photrio" seems increasingly strange to me.

+1.

As I said (elsewhere), I am pretty new to Photrio. All I can find about it is this:

"PHOTRIO.COM is a new community that has recently combined three existing photography websites: APUG.ORG (Analog Photography Users Group), Hybridphoto.com and DPUG.ORG (Digital Photography Users Group). We’re now operating under one umbrella, and providing you with total control of the content as you prefer. Photrio contains a vast archive of photographic processes and discussions. Our Partners Ilford, Adox, Freestyle Photographic, Photo Warehouse and MOD54 equally fund our community."

This implies that the membership accepts that photography includes : Analog, digital, and hybrid components. I personally agree with that, but it appears that not everyone does. This motivated my action.

 

[faberryman]

As I said (elsewhere), I am pretty new to Photrio. All I can find about it is this:

"PHOTRIO.COM is a new community that has recently combined three existing photography websites: APUG.ORG (Analog Photography Users Group), Hybridphoto.com and DPUG.ORG (Digital Photography Users Group). We’re now operating under one umbrella, and providing you with total control of the content as you prefer. Photrio contains a vast archive of photographic processes and discussions. Our Partners Ilford, Adox, Freestyle Photographic, Photo Warehouse and MOD54 equally fund our community."

This implies that everyone accepts that photography includes : Analog, digital, and hybrid components. I personally agree with that, but it appears that not everyone does. This motivated my action.

You are new around here. It is historically an analog film forum (APUG) that has recently grudgingly allowed hybrid and digital discussions to take place, provided the membership was allowed the ability not to have to see such discussions by checking only the Analog box. In fact, most members check only the Analog box and are never aware of the hybrid and digital threads. Today is a usual day. There are 65 new posts of which 61 are analog, 3 are hybrid, and 1 is digital.

 

[markjwyatt]

You are new around here. It is an analog film forum that has recently allowed hybrid and digital discussions to take place, provided the membership was allowed the ability not to have to see such discussions by checking only the analog box. Today is a usual day. There are 65 new posts of which 61 are analog, 3 are hybrid, and 1 is digital.

Thanks for the insight. What drew me here is the analog content, as I am interested in analog (still holding, and even newly acquiring analog equipment); though am enjoying digital. It does seem to have a substantial digital and hybrid content also.

 

[eddie]

What is photography? Shall we try to define it for ourselves or let Merriam and Webster define it for us?

We can define it any way we'd like, but the rest of the world will be using the dictionary definition. If we'd like to use the word in any discussion it will be necessary to use it as the rest of the world does to avoid confusion. Otherwise, we could just as easily call it "potato salad".

 

[eddie]

Thanks for the insight. What drew me here is the analog content, as I am interested in analog (still holding, and even newly acquiring analog equipment); though am enjoying digital. It does seem to have a substantial digital and hybrid content also.

There's room for everyone. I don't do any digital or hybrid, but find the use of digital negatives intriguing. In my case, digital is not checked, so I don't see any digital discussions.

 

[markjwyatt]

We can define it any way we'd like, but the rest of the world will be using the dictionary definition. If we'd like to use the word in any discussion it will be necessary to use it as the rest of the world does to avoid confusion. Otherwise, we could just as easily call it "potato salad".

Agreed. A rose by any other name is still a rose. And 99% of humanity does not question that digital photography is part of photography. Merriam and Webster will go with the crowd (and that is their stated objective). It was a somewhat rhetorical question to start with of course. I am trying to dig a bit deeper than just 'what is photography', but that question is ultimately part of it.

 

[markjwyatt]

There's room for everyone. I don't do any digital or hybrid, but find the use of digital negatives intriguing. In my case, digital is not checked, so I don't see any digital discussions.

Does this description do "digital negative" justice? I could imagine other uses of that term, but suspect this is what you mean.

 

[Peter Schrager]

Any club that wants me I won't join

 

[eddie]

I am trying to dig a bit deeper than just 'what is photography'...

For me, analog, digital, and hybrid (just as Photrio is divided) seems to satisfy my need for distinction. Beyond that are subgroups, if further definition is required.

 

[eddie]

Any club that wants me I won't join

Just like Groucho.

 

[markjwyatt]

Any club that wants me I won't join

We absolutely do not want you. Please do not join.

(it is not a club by the way)

 

[eddie]

Does this description do "digital negative" justice? I could imagine other uses of that term, but suspect this is what you mean.

It does. For me, a digital negative is a computer construct which acts as an intermediary stage for the purpose of an analog end result.

 

[markjwyatt]

It does. For me, a digital negative is a computer construct which acts as an intermediary stage for the purpose of an analog end result.

Does scanning a negative, inverting digitally and color correcting for base color, then using that to go forward (various routes possible) fit digital negative? These are the kind of distinctions I am trying to capture.

 

[eddie]

Does scanning a negative, inverting digitally and color correcting for base color, then using that to go forward (various routes possible) fit digital negative? These are the kind of distinctions I am trying to capture.

As I said, I don't do any digital, but I'd say it depends what you mean by "go forward". If there's an output to a piece of plastic, then it could be a digital negative (or positive). If that output is used to create a finished product outside of the digital realm, then it fits my definition.

 

[faberryman]

The Wikipedia definition is clear and accurate. Really, if you don't know something as fundamental as what a digital negative is, you are probably not the best person to be instituting standards.