MattKing
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After reading Moose22's last post, I have a sudden craving for film with fresh tomatoes, feta cheese and anchovies on it.
Can anyone figure out why?
Can anyone figure out why?
THIS! And beautifully written!But, I would suggest you actually eat a pizza before you review it's flavor. Watching someone else eat a pizza and gauging their reaction is decidedly not the same. Nor is just getting a bite of someone's leftovers. You should try it yourself, eat it fresh, and eat it the way YOU like to eat a pizza.
You're right that I lumped the new Cinestill in with the old. It was the old I was commenting on. I'm sorry I didn't clarify that. However, if the new stuff is color corrected like the old stuff, then its contrast and "pop" and saturation gets lost. Now it seems that it's up to the photographer or videographer to color correct it. But it seems many of these people seem to like a drag presentation which I think is blah. Hopefully they handle the new film model differently. I like my pizzas with a little zing.I told you, this is not personal. You're a good dude, and I like hearing your opinions. I want you to keep sharing them with me.
But, I would suggest you actually eat a pizza before you review it's flavor. Watching someone else eat a pizza and gauging their reaction is decidedly not the same. Nor is just getting a bite of someone's leftovers. You should try it yourself, eat it fresh, and eat it the way YOU like to eat a pizza. If you like parmigiano or don't, or crushed pepper or no, that all changes it. Maybe you didn't get the best by just taking a bite of someone else's. "I don't like x style pizza" as a general statement is... well, it's only a very general statement.
This is a forum for people who use film, in a thread about a new film release. We're not going to look at the pizza, we're wondering how it actually tastes when we get to take a bite.
More to the point, this is a new pizza cinestill is making. Whether or not you didn't like the instagrammarian's post with 800t, 800t is not the same. Maybe with 800t you are tasting the hawaiian pizza and this new one is a margarita. I'm going to try it with an open mind because of that.
You certainly don't have to use something to express an opinion. But that opinion doesn't contribute as much to the conversation as if we know you have also used it yourself. Especially just "cinestill" in general -- is this 50D or 800T you dislike? Neither of which are the new stock. Or is it just that you dislike movie film all around?
It's really fair warning to anyone else. I've had more than a few expectations based on internet reviews that, frankly, don't match reality. For good and for bad. Nothing's as good as trying it yourself, and random internet shots are not as good as seeing the results from someone whose work you know and whose style you understand.
I read that review also and came away thinking that 400D, slightly over exposed, might just make a fine "moody-soft" look that goes well with some scenes like a foggy forest floor when the sun is coming up or an overcast harbor full of boats. What I just received via email from CineStill says I can preorder my film now. Well, it shows the film I'd likely get, which is "Big Boss Hassie Pro Pack at a price of $75.00. Is this just a Kickstarter prices or is that what the price will be retail all the time? I'd love to try it in 4X5, but it's just a little rich for my blood. If it is I'll just shoot Kodak Gold 200 and be happy. JohnWDPR has a review of Cinestill 400D including samples. They state: "As for its visual qualities, CineStill says 400Dynamic is ‘a fine grain film that delivers a soft color palette with natural saturated color and rich, warm skin tones. The film has a wide dynamic range, with a base sensitivity of ISO 400 but can be rated from 200 to 800, and it can be pushed up to 3200.’"
https://www.dpreview.com/news/32261...namic-color-negative-film-in-35mm-120-formats
I think the fact it captures so many stops means that it's less contrasty out of the camera. I prefer photos with more "pop". But this could be changed in post if you scan it. Contrast can be added. I assume you can color correct and add contrast when printing chemically as well.I read that review also and came away thinking that 400D, slightly over exposed, might just make a fine "moody-soft" look that goes well with some scenes like a foggy forest floor when the sun is coming up or an overcast harbor full of boats. What I just received via email from CineStill says I can preorder my film now. Well, it shows the film I'd likely get, which is "Big Boss Hassie Pro Pack at a price of $75.00. Is this just a Kickstarter prices or is that what the price will be retail all the time? I'd love to try it in 4X5, but it's just a little rich for my blood. If it is I'll just shoot Kodak Gold 200 and be happy. JohnW
You get 5 rolls of 400D 120 for $75 with that pack, ie $15 a roll, which is the same as their existing 800T on sale in 120. So you are paying the normal price, no early discount/mark-up.I read that review also and came away thinking that 400D, slightly over exposed, might just make a fine "moody-soft" look that goes well with some scenes like a foggy forest floor when the sun is coming up or an overcast harbor full of boats. What I just received via email from CineStill says I can preorder my film now. Well, it shows the film I'd likely get, which is "Big Boss Hassie Pro Pack at a price of $75.00. Is this just a Kickstarter prices or is that what the price will be retail all the time? I'd love to try it in 4X5, but it's just a little rich for my blood. If it is I'll just shoot Kodak Gold 200 and be happy. JohnW
That's great news! I think I will back it. I'd like to think (and show) there is demand for 220.Well well, they've hit all the other targets so now they're aiming for 220!
What's the difference between the D & T versions?
D is daylight-balanced, and T is tungsten-light balanced
ThanksThe D version will need to be filtered on camera with tungsten light.
The T version will need to be filtered on camera with daylight.
In each case, filtering reduces the usable speed significantly.
With the correct light source, or filtration, the look should be similar.
I think those of us who grew up during the period when a lot of ordinary people were shooting snapshots with color negative film, we have seen so many indoor scenes taken with daylight film under tungsten lighting that the excess yellow/orange looks almost normal. So if I were going to err with filtration, I'd probably rather see indoor shots that are a little too warm than to have outdoor shots that are too blue.Thanks
Ok, so which filter would be best to use in general conditions? Light Orange or 81a for Tungsten film in daylight conditions?
A light blue for Daylight film in artificial lighting?
@awty there are specific filters for using daylight film undertungsten and vice versa, as well as dedicated fluorescent filters. I wouldn't bother with a bodged job using orange or blue filters etc; it'll only mess up color balance in an additional way on top of the mismatch you're working with to begin with.
In fact unless you know you'd be working under tungsten exclusively I'd suggest just getting the daylight balanced film.
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