I'd agree - and the fact it will work with CMS 20 (which apparently seems to be sensitive to silver solvents) would further strengthen that hypothesis. On the other hand it doesn't preclude the use of a development accelerator, which at the quantity likely used wouldn't have to go on the MSDS & would likely have no negative impact on the reuse of the developer.I infer also that the FD doesn't contain any silver halide solvent and this can explain the fact that it's been reused as SD.
I infer also that the FD doesn't contain any silver halide solvent and this can explain the fact that it's been reused as SD.
the fact it will work with CMS 20
Interestingly, the data sheet made available on FotoImpex's website makes no mention of CMS 20.It gives processing instructions for Scala 50 and Scala 160 only. If you wish to reversal process CMS 20 with the kit, you're on your own, as of now. Let's hope Adox will make the processing instructions for CMS 20 available soon.
I'll refer you to post #1 in this thread. It may be covered in a future revision - or Adox feel that any potential users are smart enough to work it out for themselves.
I've seen Post #1 and hence was surprised by the omission of CMS 20 in the data sheet. As CMS 20 is Adox's own film and one that has been apparently tested in the new kit, it makes sense for Adox to give the processing instructions and not trust the smartness of its customers to work out the process for this film. Maybe they'll do that in a future revision as you said.
Something else to note: the first developer time is much longer than the patent disclosed Agfa process that has been discussed elsewhere. The Agfa FD seems to need 6 mins at 20oC, the Adox one (for what is, realistically speaking, a near identical film) needs 15 mins at 24oC.
Something else to note: the first developer time is much longer than the patent disclosed Agfa process that has been discussed elsewhere. The Agfa FD seems to need 6 mins at 20oC, the Adox one (for what is, realistically speaking, a near identical film) needs 15 mins at 24oC.
O great, you used Photostudio13.Photo Studio 13 writes the FD time on the envelope, in which you get th re film back. I can't remember the time for Scala 160, I'll have to check when I'm back home on Friday. I do remember the time for TMY 120. It's 9 minutes. I ask them to run it for 10, otherwise they come out too dark for my taste. It's the only film where I select my own time. I also use Scala 160 and Delta 100 (120).
Photo Studio 13 writes the FD time on the envelope
Photostudio13.
What are your experiences with this lab?
How much does it cost for a roll to be developed and mounted?
That's cheap!Can't immediately lay my hands on a sleeve for Silvermax/ Scala 160, however can tell you that CMS 20 ii got 3 mins and Delta 400 got either 7:30 or 10 mins - the latter are much nicer I think - a good balance of density and visual tonality.
A few years ago, the prices quoted to me were:
135-36 EUR 8,31
135-36 with frames EUR 10,83
120 EUR 5,76
4x5’’ EUR 4,22
push/pull + 50 % extra charge
"with frames" = mounted
That's cheap!
If you take into account that Harman lab costs 20€ for a film to be developed and printed, 10€ for slides are cheap.Main issue is dealing with the antiquated German banking system
What do you mean by antiquated german banking system?
Essentially a choice of direct bank transfer (that costs money if sending from outside Germany) or sending cash with order - Paypal, or payment by credit/ debit card online is all still a bit alien in a lot of Germany.
O great, you used Photostudio13.
What are your experiences with this lab?
How much does it cost for a roll to be developed and mounted?
The slides developed by Photostudio how relates to those self developed at home? Are any better?
Quality is fine & turnaround was ok. Main issue is dealing with the antiquated German banking system. Prices aren't that dissimilar to the bigger dip/dunk E-6/ C-41 labs here - as opposed to smaller throughput custom labs.
Essentially a choice of direct bank transfer (that costs money if sending from outside Germany) or sending cash with order - Paypal, or payment by credit/ debit card online is all still a bit alien in a lot of Germany.
Scala is most expensive and run only once a week on Mondays.
PS13 is a pro lab. I believe traditionally their customers were companies and professional photographers. I noticed, because they told me when I first used them that they will send back the film along with an invoice. No prepayment necessary or possible. No credit check whatsoever. I guess there are very few scumbags among people who shoot slide film...
I'm at home and had a look at the kit. Indeed the bleach and the clearing bath packages say that they are not hazardous.
Is there a chance to see Adox Scala film in 120 format at some point?
This was a highly insightful post on the thinking behind the reversal kit. Thanks so much.
Hi there!
@Team ADOX I read that the kit can develop only 8 rolls of 36 exp. Is this value fixed and the chemicals are dead after 8 rolls, or I could develop few more rolls extending some times for bleach or for first developer?
Thanks!
The guide is in English, only. Fine with me, but some German customers will likely moan about it.
A question for Team Adox: I've seen that Scala 50 film is out of stock both at the shop and at the warehouse. When it will be available again?
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