New Adox “Color Mission” Film

[AgX]

I would like to inform, that I have had experience with Canon EOS 30V not being able to correctly space frames with BH perforations. I don't know if it is a malfunction of this specific camera model or unit or maybe the IR sensor that counts the perforations is only useable with standard still film perforations. So I don't know, if the claim that it runs fine through any camera is 100% true. I will try some HR-50 soon (also with BH perforations) to see if maybe it was a CineStill thing or not.

Welcome!

Your experience is puzzling. Two explanations come to my mind:
-) the sensor position is maladjusted, so that its rays run just at the outer edge of the hole, where the shape of holes differ. Not very convincing.
-) the sensor works erratically and just by pure coincidence failed at BH perforations.

Basically one could argue too on the IR reflectivity, transmission of the film, thus something only deliberartely related to the peforations.

 

[radiant]

Out of my own curiosity I made comparison between Color Mission sprockets and HP5 sprockets:

The width is the same, spacing is of course also the same. The Color Mission film-film sprockets seem to be a bit more rounded as HP5 is more rectangle'ish.

 

[Leemet Samel]

Welcome!

Your experience is puzzling. Two explanations come to my mind:
-) the sensor position is maladjusted, so that its rays run just at the outer edge of the hole, where the shape of holes differ. Not very convincing.
-) the sensor works erratically and just by pure coincidence failed at BH perforations.

Basically one could argue too on the IR reflectivity, transmission of the film, thus something only deliberartely related to the peforations.

Thanks!

Sorry for getting a bit off-topic here, but to clarify, I have so far used exactly 60 films over 2 years with Canon EOS 30V, two of them CineStill 800T and only then have seen erratic behaviour, which is several overlapping frames and in some cases 3-5 perforations long gaps between frames. Could also be caused by having no anti halation layer, I actually hope that this is the case. I will be sad, if I can't use Color Mission properly with my favourite camera.

If anyone is interested, I could update when I have results using ADOX films with BH perforations.

 

[MultiFormat Shooter]

If anyone is interested, I could update when I have results using ADOX films with BH perforations.

Please do!

 

[RodinalSpezial]

It seems my EOS 3 also struggles with BH perforation, film transport seems slower and more sluggish than usual. I will report as soon as I have my film developed.

 

[Leemet Samel]

So I've just developed a roll of HR-50 with BH perforations. Results are not as bad as I feared, but still visible. On total I got 34 frames and had no overlapping frames. I also reviewed CineStill films I shot and so far overlapping frames appeared once in total of three rolls.

It seems to me, that the sensor sometimes does not count a perforation and winds the film one or two perforations two far. It could be, that BH perforations are 0.127 mm shorter (along film) than KS perforations, which then makes sense that the sensor sometimes misses.

Interested to see EOS 3 results as well.

 

[AgX]

This is such an important matter, though you are the first to report, that you better start an own thread on BH perforations and cameras. This might help warn others and might close in on the cause.

 

[Moose22]

This is such an important matter, though you are the first to report, that you better start an own thread on BH perforations and cameras. This might help warn others and might close in on the cause.

Agreed. That'll make it much easier to search for the specific issue.

I honestly never considered this as I've shot "movie" film stocks a bunch in my life. I'll keep an eye out when I experiment with the color mission film.

 

[Huss]

This is such an important matter, though you are the first to report, that you better start an own thread on BH perforations and cameras. This might help warn others and might close in on the cause.

I've had no issues with BH perfs in my auto load/transport cameras - Nikon F4, F6, Leica R9, Rollei QZ35W. And of course no issue in my manual load/transport cameras.

 

[AgX]

As I said, new to me too. At the moment I can only guess on the cause, thus by making it more public we have a chance to understand what is going on. In the best case it is only one sample of a certain model of camera, though as said, not very convincing to me.
Wider spacing for most applications would be no issue, overlapping exposure well.

 

[Cholentpot]

I've had no issues with BH perfs in my auto load/transport cameras - Nikon F4, F6, Leica R9, Rollei QZ35W. And of course no issue in my manual load/transport cameras.

Same here. Hundreds of cine rolls through my machines. Nary a hitch.

 

[Kino]

B&H perfs should make no difference in how it transports in a still camera unless there is a problem with the camera.

 

[Moose22]

B&H perfs should make no difference in how it transports in a still camera unless there is a problem with the camera.

Maybe that's why the OP of this sidebar might look to see if others have seen the issue.

Is it camera specific? Like a camera in need of a CLA. Camera model specific? Like EOS3s aren't as good at handling it as most?

All of the cinema film I've ever used has been through Nikons. Even in the Seattle Film Works days in the early 90s I tried it with Nikons. Never the Canon in question.

 

[Cholentpot]

I've put cine film through all the major players and some of the more obscure ones. Only camera that didn't like it was the Kiev30, the emulsion was too thick and I must have bent something because I messed up the film transport for good. And that was 35mm stock that I slit down to 16mm because I felt like it.

 

[Fortepun]

Just got two rolls, I'm rather excited.

 

[Moose22]

Just got two rolls, I'm rather excited.

I shot a roll last week. It's at the lab now.

I've only seen what the Noritsu spit out at the lab, but it is OK. Colors are vintage. Dynamic range isn't Portra, either. And it has noticable grain. But it's a nice looking film for a look. I'll scan over the weekend and see what I can get out of it and maybe post some more samples as I shoot a roll or two.

Here are a couple of samples the lab scanned.

 

[Fortepun]

Sweet! Shot at box speed? Retro vibes indeed.

 

[Moose22]

Sweet! Shot at box speed? Retro vibes indeed.

Yes, at 200, metered in the F3 the same way I meter B&W

 

[Nodda Duma]

For those in the So. NH area, there are some rolls of Color Mission available at Photo Retro in Amherst NH.

 

[braxus]

I purchased 2 rolls of this a few months back and just got 1 of the rolls used, developed, and scanned at the lab. I do have my own scanners, but I wanted to see what the Noritsu would do with the colors off this film. I rather like the look this film produces. Its is retro yes, and is a mix inbetween Fuji and Kodak colors. Its more cool tone then warm, but not so cool as Fuji produces with reds and yellows. I'd get more of this stuff if I could, but it is completely sold out now. I also shot it in my Elan 7 with no issues. Here are some shots.

 

[Huss]

I purchased 2 rolls of this a few months back and just got 1 of the rolls used, developed, and scanned at the lab. I do have my own scanners, but I wanted to see what the Noritsu would do with the colors off this film. I rather like the look this film produces. Its is retro yes, and is a mix inbetween Fuji and Kodak colors. Its more cool tone then warm, but not so cool as Fuji produces with reds and yellows. I'd get more of this stuff if I could, but it is completely sold out now. I also shot it in my Elan 7 with no issues. Here are some shots.

Thanks for posting sample, I think it looks great! I dig the vintage look - why make another Portra etc when we already have that?
I just wish I could get hold of some.

 

[foc]

@Moose22 & @braxus Thank you for posting the images. To my eyes, they definitely have that retro Agfa look.