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I'm looking fof a good airshow lens for use with my Nikon F3 with MD-4 and I was looking at something between 300-500mm for under $300, Nikon branded if possible with no less than a ƒ/5,6 aperture. AI or AIS, doesn't matter.

I'm currently using my Leica IIIc with 13,5cm lens to shoot and I've gotten great results, but the obviously issue is the lack of reach that that lens offers.
 
A few years ago I took a 4"x5" Pacemaker Speed Graphic with a 135mm lens to an air show and more photographs were taken of me using it than I took.
 
I use the Nikon 500mm f/4. If a used one does not meet your budget constraint, you may be able to find a used third-party version for less money.



Long 500mm Lens by Narsuitus, on Flickr
 
We had our local airshow a few weekends back. I used a Canon F-1 with power winder and a FD 500mm mirror lens. All the pics were on Tri-X at F:8 at 1/2000th. I had no problem focusing and holding this camera/lens combination and got some pretty good pics.
 
Within budget but f/8 max: Reflex-Nikkor 500mm f/8, the Sigma 600/8 is good for mirror lenses as well.
Within budget but f/5.6 (31A model) or f/6.9 (model 06A) max: Tamron Adapt-all 200-500mm, I had the 06A and it was good to very good, but I got a very good deal on a Tamron 300/2.8 so the zoom was sold here, I do miss the flexibility. Wide zoom range with a bit of softness/lower contrast at max focal length and wide open. The later 31A model is supposed to be better.

Can't help with any of the other long Nikon options.
 
Last air show I went to I took a Nikkor 300mm F4. 5 AI with an F2A. Only paid £36 for the lens because cosmetically it looks like it has been in a war zone but optically & mechanically its fine. Was quite happy with what it produced. One day I will get around to getting the AIS ED version but it will do until then.

I have a 500mm F8 Tamron SP mirror & that can be quite good, as long as you avoid the donuts.
 
300 f4.5 nikkor. Get the internal focusing version if you can. No comparison to the non IF version for follow focusing.
 
I went to an Airshow last year and ended up attaching a Vivitar 1 Series 70-200 2.8-5.6 to my F3 with a 2x teleconverter. I used some doubtful Tmax 400 pushed to 800. The photos look like they came off a 60's U2 camera.

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Did the job for me, picture of my approximate setup, ignore the numbers that don't match up...
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I've only shot at a few air shows. My first one I took my 600mm f5.6 EDID AIs and had a very hard time following the planes, it was way too much focal length. Then I tried my 300mm f4 AF-D and it worked better but still limited. IMO, since AF does not matter, I'd recommend one of the 80-200 f2.8 AIs Nikkor zooms. And for about $100 you can get a real sleeper, the 70-210 f4-5.6 AF-D which is as good as more expensive lenses once stopped down to f8. It's light and a joy to handle following the planes. On the ground, the 24-85mm or 28-105 AF-D which works very nicely with a F3. I've used a F3 for years, one of my favorite MF bodies, but I've gotten lazy and use a Full frame DSLR with AF lenses now at air shows, I can blow thru frames and not be concerned about wasting film, shoot at 1/8000 and not worry about shake. But I like the spinning propellers blurring at slower shutter speeds better than freezing them and making them look like sticks.
Have fun!
 
Taking this type of photo was my job for several years. I've worked with the standard 50mm lens and also with various zoom lenses and they all worked just fine. A heavy, fixed focal length lens is not ideal for this type of job.

Oh, the U2 photos that I have seen look much better! :D

PE
 
Taking this type of photo was my job for several years. I've worked with the standard 50mm lens and also with various zoom lenses and they all worked just fine. A heavy, fixed focal length lens is not ideal for this type of job.

Oh, the U2 photos that I have seen look much better! :D

PE


+ one for fixed lens at an air show, I would look for Sigma 100 to 300 D lens, ought to work with a F2 in MF mode, don't shoot at 300, just short.
 
Taking this type of photo was my job for several years. I've worked with the standard 50mm lens and also with various zoom lenses and they all worked just fine. A heavy, fixed focal length lens is not ideal for this type of job.

Oh, the U2 photos that I have seen look much better! :D

PE

Let's see them then!
 
I agree with PE. Our small airport used to hold an annual air show mainly because one of the great fliers was a local hero. I found a 50, 90 and 150 more than adequate. Perhaps at a larger venue a 200 could be useful.
 
I've also been looking for a long tele (but mainly for sports, no real interest in planes).

With that budget the only real contenders are the 300 4.5 (and most agree the ED version is better) or the 300 4 AF-d. You'd have to get a screaming deal to pick up an AI-s 300 2.8 for that, and a very good deal to get a good 3rd party lens (Tokina SD or Tamron adaptall) manual focus 300 2.8. For AF, budget at least a thousand, and that's for an AF-s 300 4 or an ex PJ's beater af-d 300 2.8.
300 4 Af-d may be your best choice, you'll have good manual focus (though not AI-s level) and a pretty fast aperture. Potentially slow AF is irrelevant on an F3. I can't say how the lens would get on with a 2x TC, though I'd expect 1.4 to be just fine.

I wish you good luck and hope we don't end up competing for an acquisition.
 
I've been doing airshows for over 30 years and I've used a fairly large variety of lenses during this span of time. My favorite lens, and the one I use most often now, is a Tamron 300mm f/2.8 LD-IF. You'll be hard pressed to find one for $300 though, so I'll discuss a couple of others that might work well for you.

First of all, I've been to airshows where 300mm was too much for some shots, and I've been to airshows where 300mm was not enough for some shots. But in most instances, 300mm is just about ideal. So this is the focal length I'd recommend. If you can find it in your budget to get something longer, then I'd recommend a good 500mm mirror, like the Tamron 55B or 55BB -- both are excellent and rival refractors in terms of sharpness and contrast. Pack this along with your 300mm, not instead of it.

The Nikon 300mm f/4.5 is a good choice. The 300mm f/4 ED is a better one, if you can find one for $300. Which might be tough. But there's a sleeper that not many folks are aware of that takes outstanding images -- the manual focus Tokina AT-X 100-300mm f/4 SD. It has the SD glass, so it handles chromatic aberrations well. It has f/4 speed at 300mm, which is great. And it is as sharp as some of the best 300mm telephotos I've tried -- even wide open! This zoom is what I would describe as "best in class" in terms of manual focus zooms that reach out to 300mm. And best of all, it can be obtained for much less tha $300. I have one in Nikon mount, and it has become one of my most favorite zooms. It's large, as you might expect, so it has a tripod mount. Now, for airshows, I usually don't recommend a tripod. A monopod is useful in some situations, but I usually forgo both.

At an airshow, when taking pix of a prop-driven airplane, you'll really want to be shooting at shutter speeds of 1/250 or slower. You get decent prop blur at 1/250, quite a bit better at 1/125. But the problem with shooting at these slower speeds is the potential for camera shake. So to prevent this, I've practiced smooth follow-throughs. I've found that a somewhat heavier optic actually can improve sharpness during panning because the weight acts as a damper against user-induced jitters that might be transferred to the camera. So don't be afraid of using a larger lens like a 300/4 or /4.5 -- or this Tokina -- because of its weight. Just be sure that your pans when shooting at slower speeds are as smooth as possible and you'll do fine.
 
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My favorite lens, and the one I use most often now, is a Tamron 300mm f/2.8 LD-IF. You'll be hard pressed to find one for $300 though, so I'll discuss a couple of others that might work well for you.

Could I ask, are you using one of the adaptalls or an auto-focus model? I know the last two adaptalls and the AF lenses are the same optics, but I am curious about differences in manual focus feel, weight, overall handling, etc.
 
Are you going to take photographs of airplanes in flight?
Are you going to take photographs of airplanes on the ground?
Are you going to take close up detail photographs of airplanes?
Are you going to take interior photographs of airplanes?
All of the above?
Some of the above?

Those are the first questions to be answered for those criteria determine the focal length.
 
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