Lomography - this is how you inspire the younger generation into film

blockend · Dec 19, 2017

jnanian said:
its really kind of sad people have to insult others just because they don't like the / use the same camera or film.
lomo users expose film and a lot of it, and for a decade+ their film consumption has been a major reason
why film is still availble today.

I keep hearing this, but is it true? How much mainstream film do, ahem, Lomographers use, and how can we tell? I appreciate the brand has recently started selling film like Kodak 800, but not for the past ten years.

I strongly suspect the claim that hipsters are solely responsible for keeping a medium oldies had given up on alive, is more than a little hyperbolic. In fact I'd go as far as to say if the supply of purple film and new toy cameras died up tomorrow, a site dedicated to the same stuff minus the marketing would probably take its place. They'd just use other brands.

Gerald C Koch · Dec 19, 2017

E. von Hoegh said:
Yes, the OP seems to enjoy posting links that promote controversy. I wonder does he live under a bridge and subsist upon goat?

I certainly don't mind the chance to state that Lomo people are daft!

E. von Hoegh · Dec 19, 2017

Gerald C Koch said:
I certainly don't mind the chance to state that Lomo people are daft!

Nor do I!

faberryman · Dec 19, 2017

Gerald C Koch said:
I certainly don't mind the chance to state that Lomo people are daft!

I'm glad you know what Lomo people are. I am still trying to get a handle on that.

gr82bart · Dec 19, 2017

Gerald C Koch said:
I certainly don't mind the chance to state that Lomo people are daft!

I certainly don't mind the chance to state old while senile racist men are daft too. But that's just me living under a bridge eating goats.
:-O

blockend · Dec 19, 2017

gr82bart said:
I certainly don't mind the chance to state old while senile racist men are daft too. But that's just me living under a bridge eating goats.
:-O

You know that's just large format users. Some people could pick a fight in an empty room.

E. von Hoegh · Dec 19, 2017

gr82bart said:
I certainly don't mind the chance to state old while senile racist men are daft too. But that's just me living under a bridge eating goats.
:-O

True colors. They show up, sooner or later.

(except perhaps at lomography)

gr82bart · Dec 19, 2017

E. von Hoegh said:
True colors. They show up, sooner or later.

They certainly do on Photrio as well.

removed account4 · Dec 19, 2017

E. von Hoegh said:
It doesn't. "Ignorant" means uninformed, unaware, lacking knowledge. I am ignorant of many things, but I am not ignorant of my ignorance. An aesthetic preference may denote poor or uneducated taste, but placing a value on defects in film, camera, etc. indicates ignorance of what that technology is capable of. Choosing, say, a meniscus lens to attain a certain "look" for an image is a valid decision and none of my business. Promoting lomography as a wonderful thing for film and film cameras is demonstrably false.

there is a value on defective film and cameras &c
it is not ignorant of what the medium is capable of, just the opposite.
one could easily say people who don't use defective film. cameras &c
are ignorant because they have no clue what these materials are capable of.

the idea that lomography hasn't been a great thing for film
and film cameras is anything but false. it has gotten people to use film
( even though they don't use it the way you and many others would like )
and lots of it ... and buy cameras, and chemicals
and photo paper, and use their local or mail order lab.

so are people who use things smaller than 8x10 ignorant as well ?

E. von Hoegh · Dec 19, 2017

jnanian said:
there is a value on defective film and cameras &c
it is not ignorant of what the medium is capable of, just the opposite.
one could easily say people who don't use defective film. cameras &c
are ignorant because they have no clue what these materials are capable of.

the idea that lomography hasn't been a great thing for film
and film cameras is anything but false. it has gotten people to use film
( even though they don't use it the way you and many others would like )
and lots of it ... and buy cameras, and chemicals
and photo paper, and use their local or mail order lab.

so are people who use things smaller than 8x10 ignorant as well ?

Sure. I give up. This thread is like shouting into the hole of a privy, it just stirs the stench. I'll go out in the sleet and torch my Deardorff V8. And the 11x14 Hoffman. Happy delusions!

gr82bart · Dec 19, 2017

E. von Hoegh said:
Happy delusions!

The irony is lost on you and your ilk

blockend · Dec 19, 2017

At its best the Lomography company provides a few films that may have gone the way of the dodo, to people who would like to use it. At its worst it's selling instant creativity. As there's no such thing, I find it difficult to take the idea seriously. Buying any item of photographic equipment does not make one creative.

FujiLove · Dec 19, 2017

I think you either get Lomography or you don't. It's about having fun and not stressing about the technical side of photography (which may be why it's so difficult for a lot of people here to get their heads around!)

And like Anton Corbijn said, "For me, imperfection is perfection".

E. von Hoegh · Dec 19, 2017

gr82bart said:
The irony is lost on you and your ilk

Once again, true colors.
Please elucidate, what is my "ilk"?

FujiLove · Dec 19, 2017

blockend said:
At its best the Lomography company provides a few films that may have gone the way of the dodo, to people who would like to use it. At its worst it's selling instant creativity. As there's no such thing, I find it difficult to take the idea seriously. Buying any item of photographic equipment does not make one creative.

Then you have clearly never used an 'action sampler'

E. von Hoegh · Dec 19, 2017

FujiLove said:
I think you either get Lomography or you don't. It's about having fun and not stressing about the technical side of photography (which may be why it's so difficult for a lot of people here to get their heads around!)

And like Anton Corbijn said, "For me, imperfection is perfection".

That is the simplest part! Creativity does not obtain until the technique becomes reflex. It's rather hard to compose when one is wondering how to focus and expose correctly.

Craig75 · Dec 19, 2017

gr82bart said:
I certainly don't mind the chance to state old while senile racist men are daft too. But that's just me living under a bridge eating goats.
:-O

go to bed. You're completely embarrassing yourself

Ces1um · Dec 19, 2017

blockend said:
I keep hearing this, but is it true? How much mainstream film do, ahem, Lomographers use, and how can we tell? I appreciate the brand has recently started selling film like Kodak 800, but not for the past ten years.

I strongly suspect the claim that hipsters are solely responsible for keeping a medium oldies had given up on alive, is more than a little hyperbolic. In fact I'd go as far as to say if the supply of purple film and new toy cameras died up tomorrow, a site dedicated to the same stuff minus the marketing would probably take its place. They'd just use other brands.

I think their lomo 800 c-41 film IS Kodak 800. It's just rebranded for them. LIke drug stores used to do.

removed account4 · Dec 19, 2017

E. von Hoegh said:
That is the simplest part! Creativity does not obtain until the technique becomes reflex. It's rather hard to compose when one is wondering how to focus and expose correctly.

plenty of people use point and shoot or fixed focus cameras for creative purposes
as soon as they put film in them, and it doesn't seem to hamper their creative abilities.
usually they know they just point and shoot and there is no focusing involved.
the hardest part is usually loading the film.

FujiLove said:
I think you either get Lomography or you don't. It's about having fun and not stressing about the technical side of photography (which may be why it's so difficult for a lot of people here to get their heads around!)

And like Anton Corbijn said, "For me, imperfection is perfection".

i agree 100% with your post.

baachitraka · Dec 19, 2017

Good Night!!!

E. von Hoegh · Dec 19, 2017

jnanian said:
plenty of people use point and shoot or fixed focus cameras for creative purposes
as soon as they put film in them, and it doesn't seem to hamper their creative abilities.
usually they know they just point and shoot and there is no focusing involved.
the hardest part is usually loading the film.

And those people are limited by their lack of technique. Just try to photograph the balance staff pivot of a watch (ca. .003" dia.) with a P&S.

E. von Hoegh · Dec 19, 2017

FujiLove said:
Then you have clearly never used an 'action sampler'

New term for motor drive?

removed account4 · Dec 19, 2017

E. von Hoegh said:
And those people are limited by their lack of technique. Just try to photograph the balance staff pivot of a watch (ca. .003" dia.) with a P&S.

my guess is that someone with a p/s camera really doesn't want to photograph a balance staff pivot of a watch.
and it probably has nothing to do with lack of technique but lack of interest ...

E. von Hoegh · Dec 19, 2017

jnanian said:
my guess is that someone with a p/s camera really doesn't want to photograph a balance staff pivot of a watch.
and it probably has nothing to do with lack of technique but lack of interest ...

My point is that they can't! FFS!

removed account4 · Dec 19, 2017

i'm really not sure what this has to do with anything, because i think
people who are shooting with a lomo or other sort of p/s camera would rather
be photographing something else and if they needed to photograph something
like that part they would use their cellphone or nikon ( or whatever ) dSlr with a macro lens and do it
and it would be good enough ...
i have a 11x14 camera and would have the technical ability to
make a macro photograph of the part you have mentioned
and i wouldn't want to do it either, and not because i can't... but because
i have no interest in photographing that part. it might be an interesting subject for you
and something worth dedicating time and effort &c
but i'd rather watch grass grow than expend time and materials and effort photographing a watch part.

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