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So how can I buy a Nikon S2 or S3 rerelease model?

Perform sexual favors for Bellamy? I have yet to see one listed online since I learned of them... and I’ve looked.
 

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Ok...who are you and what have you done with Mr. Glass?


...or is this a test? :smile:

I did some more investigation. It is not cost effective to spend money the money necessary for a Leica M or Nikon RF when slr are so much more satisfying to use. I am going to sit the corner and figure out a better way to spend my money.
 

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The (or at least my) reason to pick up a rangefinder over an SLR is the rangefinder is generally smaller, quieter and better in low light, both because the viewfinder is equally as bright no matter the speed of the lens and there is no vibration, so slower shutter speeds are easier to hand-hold. The SLR wins for accuracy of framing (especially a pro Nikon) and the ability to take super wide and long telephoto lenses and fast motor drives. The quality of the optics varies on both, you get pretty much get what you pay for in lenses. And I wouldn't go near a zoom lens for a rangefinder.
 

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The (or at least my) reason to pick up a rangefinder over an SLR is the rangefinder is generally smaller, quieter and better in low light, both because the viewfinder is equally as bright no matter the speed of the lens and there is no vibration, so slower shutter speeds are easier to hand-hold. The SLR wins for accuracy of framing (especially a pro Nikon) and the ability to take super wide and long telephoto lenses and fast motor drives. The quality of the optics varies on both, you get pretty much get what you pay for in lenses. And I wouldn't go near a zoom lens for a rangefinder.


All more reasons for post 54.
 

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I did some more investigation. It is not cost effective to spend money the money necessary for a Leica M or Nikon RF when slr are so much more satisfying to use. I am going to sit the corner and figure out a better way to spend my money.

The answer is obvious, you should buy a Hasselblad rangefinder.
 

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I did some more investigation. It is not cost effective to spend money the money necessary for a Leica M or Nikon RF when slr are so much more satisfying to use. I am going to sit the corner and figure out a better way to spend my money.

My amazon wish list is free for you to peruse if you need suggestions.
 

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Something like a Nettar/Ikonta, folding or not would be relatively easy to make at a non-excluding budget by a reasonably big manufacturer.
Problem is always biggerism (adding just “this one new feature” that is “absolutely stupid not to have in this day and age” and another and another, that drives up cost).

A decent shutter and lens would be the most difficult and expensive parts. But far from impossible to make.

Micro-actuators for the each shutter blade and a non cemented quadruplet with one or two aspherical plastic elements, would be obvious complexity and money savers. You might not even need a separate aperture. Just let the shutter do the work since the shutters movement doesn’t need to be linear.

Considering the complexity of other random crap that is put into the market in an endless stream, at impulse buy prices, the above doesn’t seem unreasonable at all.
 

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My recollection is that the rules also require that the photographer be able to supply the original RAW out of camera digital file if requested, which makes film "captures" problematic.
I'm not thinking anyone would require the camera RAW file... That's like asking for a piece of undeveloped film.
 

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I'm not thinking anyone would require the camera RAW file... That's like asking for a piece of undeveloped film.
They wanted the RAW file in order to be able to confirm provenance - it was due to concerns about people stealing images and presenting them as their own.
 

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They wanted the RAW file in order to be able to confirm provenance - it was due to concerns about people stealing images and presenting them as their own.
I will stand corrected, and say that is most certainly myopic on their part. They should at least provide an avenue for analog work. It is understandable that they would require electronic submissions for the initial en mass, but it would not be all that difficult to accommodate other workflows that that survive the initial judgement. They would be dealing with a relative few at that point. Personally, I have never encountered such a thing, and such a situation is indeed sad.
 

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This all sounds like film is about to die.

Just now I was a point to start.


You went and stepped in it now. I'd brace yourself for the onslaught of responses you're about to get.

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This all sounds like film is about to die.

Just now I was a point to start.
Actually, film is starting to wake up again.
And digital camera sales are plummeting.
The Nikon contest has always been a marketing tool for Nikon. The market for photographic tools is going through a major upheaval and some, such as Olympus, have already died there.
But there are all sorts of rebirths as well. Most are incremental and small, but I expect that a significant number will survive and prosper.
Whether or not the Nikon contest will survive is an interesting question. Nikon itself has always been a fairly small entity.
 

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This all sounds like film is about to die.

Just now I was a point to start.

You just started the endeavour at our forum. Welcome!

This whining and doomsday talk is an integral part of our behaviour...
And then we got those revival preachers...

Thruth likely is somewhere inbetween.
 

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Nikon is more likely to die before film does.

No-one buys digital cameras anymore. Not when they have phones.

Film will live forever! Bwahahahaha! (or at least for 8000 more weeks)
 

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This all sounds like film is about to die.

Just now I was a point to start.

So you start by sitting in the corner? Yes, start your day with a time out.
 
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Ding-dong! Film is Dead! Film is dead....the wicked witch is dead!

Call the school master!

Let the Kodak begin! Let the Fuji bashing begin!

Whooopeee! FILM IS DEAD!
 
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Thank you all for giving me hope.

I already left a bucket outside of the toilet for the family and put my A7Rii for sale.

:D
 

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I will stand corrected, and say that is most certainly myopic on their part. They should at least provide an avenue for analog work. It is understandable that they would require electronic submissions for the initial en mass, but it would not be all that difficult to accommodate other workflows that that survive the initial judgement. They would be dealing with a relative few at that point. Personally, I have never encountered such a thing, and such a situation is indeed sad.

Please read the rules! The link has been posted twice. Here it is a third time: https://www.nikon-photocontest.com/assets/pdf/entry/EntryGuidelines_en.pdf

There is nothing in it about a RAW file!
 
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"Nikon got burnt hard when they re-released the S3 2000 (and S2 2005). They apparently lost money on that project, and now you can buy new/never used ones for less than what the retail was 20 years ago!" Huss

Yeah thats true but
1. they actually Did re-make a long lost RF camera *with lenses*. As good as what was made; maybe a bit better on QC.
2. Horrible timing. The flee from film was at stampede level when the S3 remake came out, and most here on APUG would agree the outlook for film photography now is a lot more 'positive' than 2005-9.

The "We lost money on it" excuse was rolled out to me back in the late 1990's when as an NPS member I entered into an email conversation with the NY head of NPS. I wanted a 200mm f/2 AF-S for wedding work and succinctly pointed out how it would fit into the lens line up and who would benefit. I was told it "would never be made since Nikon lost a lot of money with the original 200/2 lens".

Well I'm sure you can guess, a couple of years later (2004 or so) Nikon announced the AFS 200mm f/2 and would go on to sell 10,000 units. And No I was not asked to field test the new version (was a bit pissed about that since I felt I was quite vocal as an NPS member to get that lens made).

Designing and making an F4 level body from scratch these days? Ok, sure; that will be 'cost prohibited'. Making a a version of what was made by the millions as in an internal frame supporting a mirror box, shutter unit, eye level prism, a wind mechanism and a lens mount? Please, let us both laugh at that. I'm sure some 17 year old will read this and start 3-d printing the parts for a Copal shutter found in just about every Japanese SLR of the 1970's.
 

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Film is certainly not dying. You can buy film in any corner drugstore or one of the hundreds of camera shops in any town. And get it processed at the supermarket, too. And pros are lining up to buy $10,000 to $50,000 film camera systems right now. Color labs are standing by to turn around 1-hour snip tests in every major city, art directors and editors have their light tables waiting for the messengers to deliver the chromes.
 

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Please read the rules! The link has been posted twice. Here it is a third time: https://www.nikon-photocontest.com/assets/pdf/entry/EntryGuidelines_en.pdf

There is nothing in it about a RAW file!
That reference to a RAW file was from my recollection about when the rules changed to prevent entries that originated on film.
As for the current rules, I would suggest this part does the same:
"Photo Guidelines 
Image data files created with any device capable of taking still images, including smartphones and digital still cameras (including medium and largeformat digital cameras)."
 

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Film is certainly not dying. You can buy film in any corner drugstore or one of the hundreds of camera shops in any town.

You must be across the pond. I haven't seen film in CVS or Walgreens in years.
 
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