Leica the only one?

[Sirius Glass]

I was stating a fact "Nikon no longer accept images for their international photographic competition on film",why they should care ? I don't know, but it's still a fact .

Because Film Matters. Also it is their contest, there rules.

 

[Christiaan Phleger]

The question is whether or not Nikon feels there is money to be made from re-releasing the FM-2n/FE2 which would be my best guess for the most achievable film camera. I doubt they'd be able to keep it at the old price point (about 370.00 1999 NY price).

How many would sell if they bundled the choice of body with some of the more recent discontinued Ai-S lenses; one package would be the 28mm f/2.8, the 50mm f/1.4 and the 105mm f/2.5 and be say 2,000.00? Would you bite at 1500.00? How about bundled for the 'Low Light Street Shooter Package' Black FM-2n 24mm f/2, 35mm f/1.4 and 50mm f/1.2 for 1800.00?

I would think that if they could keep the Body Only price to be under 1,000 they'd sell 25,000 units worldwide, in 2 years, probably fairly easily.

 

[Nicholas Lindan]

There are plenty of mint condition cameras available. As many go unsold (might have to do with the asking price...) I don't think there is anywhere enough unmet demand to justify starting up production of F6's, FM2's and their ilk.

If you get an excellent condition plain prism F2 it would probably see you and your great-grandchildren out. You may want to get a few spare F2's as parts cameras. Think of it like keeping an old car going - there's the car you drive and a couple of sacrificial parts cars under tarps out back. And bins of all the rubber parts - seals, mounts, bushings etc - in the basement.

Of course, where you are going to get 35mm film in 50 to 100 years is another matter. I suppose in 50 years you will have to take your old car to the airport to fill it up with avgas.

 

[Pieter12]

There are plenty of mint condition cameras available. As many go unsold (might have to do with the asking price...) I don't think there is anywhere enough unmet demand to justify starting up production of F6's, FM2's and their ilk.

If you get an excellent condition plain prism F2 it would probably see you and your great-grandchildren out. You may want to get a few spare F2's as parts cameras. Think of it like keeping an old car going - there's the car you drive and a couple of sacrificial parts cars under tarps out back. And bins of all the rubber parts - seals, mounts, bushings etc - in the basement.

Of course, where you are going to get 35mm film in 50 to 100 years is another matter. I suppose in 50 years you will have to take your old car to the airport to fill it up with avgas.

In 50 years, they're going to have take an electric airplane to find some place to fill me up with avgas.

 

[AgX]

Also it is [Nikon's] contest, there rules.

Just that is why Ben referred to that contest.
Manufacturing a film camera, the same time excluding analog entries into ones contest is a statement.

 

[Huss]

The question is whether or not Nikon feels there is money to be made from re-releasing the FM-2n/FE2 which would be my best guess for the most achievable film camera. I doubt they'd be able to keep it at the old price point (about 370.00 1999 NY price).

How many would sell if they bundled the choice of body with some of the more recent discontinued Ai-S lenses; one package would be the 28mm f/2.8, the 50mm f/1.4 and the 105mm f/2.5 and be say 2,000.00? Would you bite at 1500.00? How about bundled for the 'Low Light Street Shooter Package' Black FM-2n 24mm f/2, 35mm f/1.4 and 50mm f/1.2 for 1800.00?

I would think that if they could keep the Body Only price to be under 1,000 they'd sell 25,000 units worldwide, in 2 years, probably fairly easily.

Nikon got burnt hard when they re-released the S3 2000 (and S2 2005). They apparently lost money on that project, and now you can buy new/never used ones for less than what the retail was 20 years ago!

 

[reddesert]

There are easy ways to add EXIF data to images produced by film scans. But, again, not sure why they would care.

Edit: I don't see anything in the entry guidelines for the 2021 contest that prohibits film-based images from being submitted:

https://www.nikon-photocontest.com/assets/pdf/entry/EntryGuidelines_en.pdf

I was stating a fact "Nikon no longer accept images for their international photographic competition on film",why they should care ? I don't know, but it's still a fact .

Just that is why Ben referred to that contest.
Manufacturing a film camera, the same time excluding analog entries into ones contest is a statement.

I read these rules, and I read it as they don't care what the source is, "Image data files created with any device capable of taking still images [including digital cameras]" - it doesn't exclude non-digital cameras. But you have to submit the image in a digital form, so you have to scan the negative, slide, or you could presumably scan a print. Technically, this means they don't accept images on film, as in you can't mail them a slide. I can hardly blame them for that. They're probably not set up to mail your slide to the judges, either.

 

[AgX]

But this excludes photographers that only work analog.

 

[logan2z]

But this excludes photographers that only work analogy.

When was the last time they accepted slide or print submissions? I have to imagine that it's been a while and that this isn't new for 2021.

 

[BradS]

When was the last time they accepted slide or print submissions? I have to imagine that it's been a while and that this isn't new for 2021.

yes. This has been the case for quite a while, more than a decade, iirc.

 

[MattKing]

I read these rules, and I read it as they don't care what the source is, "Image data files created with any device capable of taking still images [including digital cameras]" - it doesn't exclude non-digital cameras. But you have to submit the image in a digital form, so you have to scan the negative, slide, or you could presumably scan a print. Technically, this means they don't accept images on film, as in you can't mail them a slide. I can hardly blame them for that. They're probably not set up to mail your slide to the judges, either.

My recollection is that the rules also require that the photographer be able to supply the original RAW out of camera digital file if requested, which makes film "captures" problematic.

 

[markjwyatt]

My recollection is that the rules also require that the photographer be able to supply the original RAW out of camera digital file if requested, which makes film "captures" problematic.

Wouldn't the negative suffice?

 

[reddesert]

My recollection is that the rules also require that the photographer be able to supply the original RAW out of camera digital file if requested, which makes film "captures" problematic.

I can't find that requirement anywhere. They say that a higher resolution file than the submission could be requested for reproduction. Most of the rules are concerned with issues such as image rights and to a lesser extent manipulation.

We should request that Photrio provide a service where an analog-only member can send them a post in a letter, and someone types it in to the forum for them.

 

[logan2z]

We should request that Photrio provide a service where an analog-only member can send them a post in a letter, and someone types it in to the forum for them.

Getting replies to their post would be, um, awkward

 

[logan2z]

My recollection is that the rules also require that the photographer be able to supply the original RAW out of camera digital file if requested, which makes film "captures" problematic.

And if one shoots JPG instead of RAW? I assume that's allowed, in which case it would be difficult to distinguish a JPG straight from the camera from a JPG produced by a scanned negative - if you do a good job spotting with the clone tool in Lightroom, that is .

I still don't understand why Nikon would care if the digital file was produced from a film negative, and don't really read anything explicitly in the entry guidelines that would prohibit that. But it's a bit moot for 2021 anyway, the entry deadline has passed.

 

[AgX]

When was the last time they accepted slide or print submissions? I have to imagine that it's been a while and that this isn't new for 2021.

Yes, we discussed this already years ago.

 

[Sirius Glass]

I am lost. I thought I was reading about Leica and there is only posts about some contest which I am not interested in. What happened to the Leicas?

 

[ChristopherCoy]

I am lost. I thought I was reading about Leica and there is only posts about some contest which I am not interested in. What happened to the Leicas?

They're too good for, and above this conversation. Leicas.... here... pssshhhh.

 

[AgX]

What happened to the Leicas?

Only 8 weeks passed since they were mentioned at the start of this thread.
I expect those 2 models still to be available.

 

[ChristopherCoy]

Only 8 weeks passed since they were mentioned at the start of this thread.
I expect those 2 models still to be available.

For the money they cost, they better be around for 8000 more weeks.

 

[Ko.Fe.]

Nikon got burnt hard when they re-released the S3 2000 (and S2 2005). They apparently lost money on that project, and now you can buy new/never used ones for less than what the retail was 20 years ago!

It was wrong marketing choice back then. Same as Leica 0 series remake. If not worse.

Based on my marketing research (wearing cameras on me every day), shiny, silver old Nikon SLRs are in the leaders of getting attention. Barnacks are second. M4-2 gets noticed, but by more involved people. Which would be wrong choice for marketing. It should be based on Kardashian crowds.

 

[Pieter12]

For the money they cost, they better be around for 8000 more weeks.

I certainly won't be around that long, neither will any of you. And most likely film won't be around in 8000 weeks.

 

[DREW WILEY]

The earth itself might not be habitable to humans in another century unless there's a massive shift in our polluting habits. But maybe microbes picked up on Mars will give things a fresh start, and a few billion years later, lead to an evolutionary revival of actual film cameras.

 

[Huss]

I certainly won't be around that long, neither will any of you. And most likely film won't be around in 8000 weeks.

154 more years?
Challenge....ACCEPTED!

 

[Sirius Glass]

So how can I buy a Nikon S2 or S3 rerelease model?