Kodak Reintroduces Ektachrome.

[Wallendo]

Trying to get this thread moving back towards the topic at hand. Commercial pre-recorded cassettes were generally recorded on low-bias tapes at very high speeds with noise reduction limited to Dolby B at best. Many (most?) end users would play the tapes back with Dolby B turned off because the high-end boast made the tape sound brighter when played back. This is sort of like consumer Kodachrome. After all, Paul Simon sang that it "Makes you think all the world's a sunny day". Modern Ektachrome is more analogous to cassettes recorded from decent sources with decent equipment using high-bias or metal tapes with Dolby C and HX used when recording and playing back.

 

[Lee Rust]

..we had about 6 people from here support the event this spring, when 10 years before we had over 180 people attend.

I am still reeling from hosting this event, financially and pretty much discouraged by this membership.. I would have thought a different outcome....

Regretfully, a conflicting work schedule precluded my attendance at your event this time around. In addition, the increased difficulties that many Americans encounter when trying to re-enter their own country from Canada might have been a factor. Then there's the unavoidable fact that most of the analog photographers active on this forum are ten years older than the last time and might be somewhat less mobile.

 

[RattyMouse]

Website, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Youtube, and quite recently a three hour interview/tour via podcast. They're busy, and marketing to new/younger/less experienced users, which is likely why they're not here, where they really don't need to educate the community. They're doing a good job of being welcoming to new film users without talking down to them.

Simon Galley answered questions ALL the time here at Apug. He didnt just show up and chat. He answered questions, non stop.

What makes you think people here don't need education? That's an absurd idea. The entire value of Phototrio is for people to come and learn.

 

[RattyMouse]

Regretfully, a conflicting work schedule precluded my attendance at your event this time around. In addition, the increased difficulties that many Americans encounter when trying to re-enter their own country from Canada might have been a factor. Then there's the unavoidable fact that most of the analog photographers active on this forum are ten years older than the last time and might be somewhat less mobile.

Americans have problems re-entering their own country? That's news to me. I have left and re-entered the USA hundreds of times and have never had an issue other than power tripping INS guards. While annoying, hardly a big problem. I have a US passport and can re-enter at will. Where would they deport me?

 

[faberryman]

Americans have problems re-entering their own country? That's news to me. I have left and re-entered the USA hundreds of times and have never had an issue other than power tripping INS guards. While annoying, hardly a big problem. I have a US passport and can re-enter at will. Where would they deport me?

When I was returning from the Photrio Symposium, it took me almost 40 minutes waiting in line to clear customs. Only two of fourteen stations were manned.

 

[RattyMouse]

When I was returning from the Photrio Symposium, it took me almost 40 minutes waiting in line to clear customs. Only two of fourteen stations were manned.

A whole 40 minutes? I've had to wait nearly 3 hours to enter from Chicago at times. I've waited hours in Heathrow, Shanghai, and Hong Kong. That's part of travel. Hardly a major difficulty.

 

[Cholentpot]

Regretfully, a conflicting work schedule precluded my attendance at your event this time around. In addition, the increased difficulties that many Americans encounter when trying to re-enter their own country from Canada might have been a factor. Then there's the unavoidable fact that most of the analog photographers active on this forum are ten years older than the last time and might be somewhat less mobile.

As a Citizen you have a right to re-enter your country. Waiting 3 hours is as first world a complaint as I can think.

I go into Canada and back all the time. I've waited my share but have always got back home.

 

[MattKing]

If you want to access Harman Tech Service through Photrio, start a conversation with them here.
If you want them to participate in an Ilford related thread, do the same.
I miss Simon's participation, but I can certainly understand why Harman is devoting more of their marketing efforts to venues where they aren't "preaching to the converted".
They do, of course, continue to financially support Photrio.
I wish that Kodak Alaris (and Foma?) offered the same access on technical issues that Harman does now.
And as for Bob's symposium, I would love to have been at both of them. 5000 km in distance, Canadian plane ticket and Toronto hotel prices had a lot to do with my not being there.
More importantly though with respect to the difference in attendance, my sense at the time when the first symposium was happening was that it and APUG were a single Island in a sea of change that threatened the existence of film and analogue photography, which might disappear entirely at any moment.
Whereas the recent symposium was just a wonderful event, among a selection of other good choices, highlighting the strength of the niche that analogue (including hybrid) photography has become.
Damn I wish I could have gone!
And as for crossing the border for you "mericans", its a lot easier than navigating Seattle traffic! I know, because I was doing that yesterday.
Of course, a whole bunch of you don't have Passports or other appropriate travel documents.

 

[pbromaghin]

The entire value of Phototrio is for people to come and learn.

That's 100% why I'm here.

 

[flavio81]

Trying to get this thread moving back towards the topic at hand. Commercial pre-recorded cassettes were generally recorded on low-bias tapes at very high speeds with noise reduction limited to Dolby B at best. Many (most?) end users would play the tapes back with Dolby B turned off because the high-end boast made the tape sound brighter when played back. This is sort of like consumer Kodachrome. After all, Paul Simon sang that it "Makes you think all the world's a sunny day". Modern Ektachrome is more analogous to cassettes recorded from decent sources with decent equipment using high-bias or metal tapes with Dolby C and HX used when recording and playing back.

I'd say Ektachrome is recording the tape on a good high-bias tape pumping up the recording level so tape saturates and colors the sound on a nice way. While modern color film is recording on metal tape with DBX: a closer, clinical approximation to the original. Print films often have more truer colors, this become evident on well done scans.

 

[flavio81]

The Beatles in mono with AM compression out of a single speaker in the dashboard.

Look the remasters are fine, but the first few albums are supposed to be lowfi to my ears.

Get a good copy of the first albums (mono) and play them on a really good turntable: they are far from lo-fi. "Help", for example, is really well recorded.

But I agree with what some poster above said - a music lover enjoys music no matter the equipment. At home i have a bi-amplified (fully active) system with Technics SB-1000 top of the line speakers, a rare model that weights 55kg each speaker. Yet I also enjoy listening to good music through my cheap phone...

 

[Cholentpot]

Get a good copy of the first albums (mono) and play them on a really good turntable: they are far from lo-fi. "Help", for example, is really well recorded.

But I agree with what some poster above said - a music lover enjoys music no matter the equipment. At home i have a bi-amplified (fully active) system with Technics SB-1000 top of the line speakers, a rare model that weights 55kg each speaker. Yet I also enjoy listening to good music through my cheap phone...

Phone speakers is where I draw the line bud...

 

[flavio81]

Phone speakers is where I draw the line bud...

The (dubious) pleasure of music with no bass -- come listen to The Beatles without Paul, and without Ringo's right foot!!

 

[Cholentpot]

The (dubious) pleasure of music with no bass -- come listen to The Beatles without Paul, and without Ringo's right foot!!

It's all Tss Tss Tss to me

 

[Stephen Prunier]

I know when we asked them to support the Photrio Symposium this last spring they politely refused, wheras 10 years earlier when we ran the same event, management few to Toronto to support , and be very present. Simon took about 40 of us out for dinner and foot the bill. But then again we had about 6 people from here support the event this spring, when 10 years before we had over 180 people attend.

I am still reeling from hosting this event, financially and pretty much discouraged by this membership.. I would have thought a different outcome....

Bob
I wanted to attend the Symposium, but after adding the cost for a new passport, gas for my F250 (10 mpg) The a/c in the car is gone. Hotel etc. This year was out. I'm going to get a passport this year. So you'll eventually see me!

 

[RattyMouse]

Nearly the end of July and still no film.

 

[Wayne]

Nearly the end of July and still no film.

Am I the only one who winces every time they read the present tense verb in the thread title?

 

[MattKing]

And on a related subject, I was in Leos Cameras in Vancouver today and they are now carrying 50 foot loads of Super 8 film from Kodak. Vision 3 - 200T and 500T and Tri-X.
They are apparently quite happy with their sales so far.
The prices look huge to me - more than $50.00 CDN per roll on the one price tag I hoticed.

 

[RattyMouse]

Am I the only one who winces every time they read the present tense verb in the thread title?

A year and a half later, we're still here.

 

[fdonadio]

If they really want to go to the trouble of using actual film, why mess around with Super 8 when Super 16 and 35mm negative stocks and cameras offer vastly superior quality?

Most cinema students won’t be able to invest in 35mm film (cameras, the actual film, processing, etc.) to learn how to shoot with it. Super-8 is much cheaper for that.

Still, I would agree that 16mm is not that much more expensive and would give a much better quality. Super-8 cameras are more compact though.

 

[fdonadio]

The prices look huge to me - more than $50.00 CDN per roll on the one price tag I hoticed.

Here in a Brazil, I can buy directly from EK and have the film delivered to my door. I buy a 400 ft Double-X can every couple of years and it the cheapest way to shoot black and white 35mm film in Brazil. I have bought Tri-X in Super-8 a couple of times, too.

 

[fdonadio]

Can you talk and surf the web with your FM2n?

Thanks God, no! And, please, note that I am an atheist.

 

[keenmaster486]

Oh, but don't you want every device in your house connected to the internet? What did we ever do before smart toilets and smart garbage cans and smart kitchen towels?

 

[Sirius Glass]

Am I the only one who winces every time they read the present tense verb in the thread title?

It is moving in slow motion, so present tense is still appropriate. Once Ektachrome comes out the moderators will rush over to change the tense.

 

[fdonadio]

Oh, but don't you want every device in your house connected to the internet? What did we ever do before smart toilets and smart garbage cans and smart kitchen towels?

I don’t feel the question was pointed at me, but maybe...

At some point, I was really excited at the possibilities of a “connected home”, but that changed gradually in the last years, especially after this whole “IoT” thing gained traction. I saw that it doesn’t get me as much “value” as I would be giving “them” information about my life.

Now I want my home to be as “dumb” as possible.