Kodak Reintroduces Ektachrome.

[removed account4]

We also have firearm events where they are not only turned in with no repercussions... but traded for grocery store gift cards. Those, we are told, get crushed and the metal recycled.

i just heard a story about a towns / city where it turns out the police department is sometimes strapped for cash and sell the guns to townsfolk as a fund raiser event. not sure how prevalent that is, if it is one town/city but i am guessing
maybe if it happens one place, it happens others too.

 

[trendland]

I'm glad there are so many expert chemists here that can tell me how toxic a given chemical is. One such expert has claimed that EDTA is very toxic, but it is injected as a counter to heavy metal poisoning. It and the metal are safely eliminated from the body. Also, Hypo is used as an antidote for Cyanide poisoning. And yet, dumping it down the drain is forbidden? Well, hair dye is really akin to a Kodachrome developer. There is a CD4 analog and a Magenta coupler analog in there to dye hair for a red-brown look. Drain cleaners are strong chemicals. Some are pure Sulfuric Acid and some are strong alkali or contain Phosphates.

Dumping down a drain is at the "whim" of the locale in which you live. My usage at its peak was so small, I doubt that anyone could even detect any effluent, but the rules here are not really that strong. The Kodak effluent was another matter. The effluent contained significant Silver ion and Cadmium ion, with the latter being far worse than the former. Kodak eliminated most all of that in the late '60s.

PE

Glad too - and thanks for clarifying the issue about concrete toxic characteristics of lab chems.
Perhaps some different definitions of "toxic" are the reason of missunderstandings.
1) toxic to the enviroment - in most cases - with exeption of "clean" h2o.

2) toxic to water- and other organism ( du ducks for example)

3) toxic to humans (often in the long term perspective)

4 ) lethal dosis (on rats or mice )

.......All is in relative concern.

But the M O S T interest to people in darkroom is : " Is this chemical good for my health "
So my point is - If you are working with the general care (you have to find out for "EACH" chemical) - It is most relative how often you will use such "special" chems in darkroom.
Are you a darkroom enthusiast ?
(4 times a week for the whole night)
Or is your darkroom allways closed with the exeption on every 2. Friday evening. And are you using problematic chems just 2 times a year?
The difference to proffessionals is therefore enormously. Remember some (relative) problematic chems -
(you mentioned some) wich were relative often in use wirthin the past.

And if you then "add" the dose of some years or some decades to proffessional lab persons you soon will see the motivation of "modern" restrictions.
(environmentaly danger is not so much the focus because of much less of that chems today in relation to polution in the past)
with regards

PS : The lab I worked as a trainee years ago didn't care of any regulation. (They did not handle any toxic materials. ...

They solve their problem one time a week at midtnight - the smal river they used beside their plant was quite ok for that reason. NO DUCKS NO FISHES

That was the procedure within the 30th/during-behind the war, within the 50th and 60th why not proceed during the late 80th.

Until the day some local residents informed the police (they can't sleep at midtnight some days per month due to a breath-taking stench everywhere)
And because of some older woman who wondered about - they can't remember any duck swimming on the pretty lake beside their upper class villas since soo many years.

So officials closed the plant - they
had not the resources to pay the money fine at last (120 employers).

 

[Cholentpot]

i just heard a story about a towns / city where it turns out the police department is sometimes strapped for cash and sell the guns to townsfolk as a fund raiser event. not sure how prevalent that is, if it is one town/city but i am guessing
maybe if it happens one place, it happens others too.

These things are the best! The offer $125-$200 for any firearm no questions asked! Buy a box of rusty old Mosins from WWII at $50 a piece and make bank!

Another thing we...ehem I mean some people...do is buy the firearms before people turn them in. Offer twice as much for a historical piece that's going to be turned into slag because the owner has no clue what it's worth. Not that I've ever done this, nope nope nope.

Kinda like sorting through a recycle bin and finding gems of a camera because someone thought 'eh film, worthless camera. What's a Leica?

 

[trendland]

The biggest problem is from the silver in the bleach & fix & its potent biocidal nature. You really don't want that getting into water treatment plants in industrial quantities.

You're at far more risk to yourself if you dabble in wet plate (many formulae are laden with cadmium salts etc) or any dichromated colloid based process without appropriate protective equipment - and as for washing dichromates down the drain... Traditional BW reversal uses acidified dichromate bleaches, but even that can be worked around and ECN-2 uses sulphuric acid at a pH of 2 as a stop bath, but that's a process intended for industrial process machinery, not amateur home users.

I remind that (the problem with fixer) from years ago . Well and indeed it is no problem to handle fixer environmentaly correct. [stored in canisters] If it make sense with every simple bw developer ( If you want this you should handle gallons of wash the same way) should better not be discused - because no one would have shields on his car : " I DRINK AND DRIVE"
with regards

 

[trendland]

These things are the best! The offer $125-$200 for any firearm no questions asked! Buy a box of rusty old Mosins from WWII at $50 a piece and make bank!

Another thing we...ehem I mean some people...do is buy the firearms before people turn them in. Offer twice as much for a historical piece that's going to be turned into slag because the owner has no clue what it's worth. Not that I've ever done this, nope nope nope.

Kinda like sorting through a recycle bin and finding gems of a camera because someone thought 'eh film, worthless camera. What's a Leica?

Yeah - what is a Leica ? Cholentpot pls. tell us : Do you own a M16 or a M14 ?
with regards

PS : Why asking ? Well - from my point you are not so much the classic M14 type but more related to M16 I just would imagine.
PPS : And a M60 seams to be not allowed in your state - right ?....

 

[BrianShaw]

i just heard a story about a towns / city where it turns out the police department is sometimes strapped for cash and sell the guns to townsfolk as a fund raiser event. not sure how prevalent that is, if it is one town/city but i am guessing
maybe if it happens one place, it happens others too.

That kind of cherry-picking would not surprise me at all.

 

[Cholentpot]

Yeah - what is a Leica ? Cholentpot pls. tell us : Do you own a M16 or a M14 ?
with regards

PS : Why asking ? Well - from my point you are not so much the classic M14 type but more related to M16 I just would imagine.
PPS : And a M60 seams to be not allowed in your state - right ?....

For $25k+ I can own any of those.

 

[trendland]

For $25k+ I can own any of those.

Fine - but then you just can afford some "New Ektachromes" right.
with regards

PS : And don't tell us : " I've no need to this films because I can use my M60 this weekend. ......

 

[Cholentpot]

Fine - but then you just can afford some "New Ektachromes" right.
with regards

PS : And don't tell us : " I've no need to this films because I can use my M60 this weekend. ......

Just Uncle Morry's M1 with notches in the side.

 

[trendland]

Just Uncle Morry's M1 with notches in the side.

Omaha-beach equipment. ...

 

[trendland]

Ok - not a real bad rifle. The wwII weapons I personaly own (just in case of interest) are mostly from britisch infantry support groups.I bought some of that stuff (like many others) at extreme cheap pricing years ago (during late 70th).But last month I ordered additional stuff via an special auction. Including the legendary LEE ENFIELD No.4 MK I rifle. AND (you will not belive) 2 Vikers MK I machine gun in absolute top condition.
Also an ORDONANCE ML 4.2in MkI MORTAR was included - the price I can't tell (10 - 15 / up to 20 times more as well known from the 70th)
I have made a picture but seams to be little off topic to post this here.But at last "exzellent conditioned" and more than rare today......
with regards

 

[Cholentpot]

Ok - not a real bad rifle. The wwII weapons I personaly own (just in case of interest) are mostly from britisch infantry support groups.I bought some of that stuff (like many others) at extreme cheap pricing years ago (during late 70th).But last month I ordered additional stuff via an special auction. Including the legendary LEE ENFIELD No.4 MK I rifle. AND (you will not belive) 2 Vikers MK I machine gun in absolute top condition.
Also an ORDONANCE ML 4.2in MkI MORTAR was included - the price I can't tell (10 - 15 / up to 20 times more as well known from the 70th)
I have made a picture but seams to be little off topic to post this here.But at last "exzellent conditioned" and more than rare today......
with regards

If we keep this going the ModGods will hammer us down.

I'd love to shoot a few frames off with a Vickers. Maybe bulk-load some high sensitivity canisters and take a few snapshots.

 

[trendland]

If we keep this going the ModGods will hammer us down.

I'd love to shoot a few frames off with a Vickers. Maybe bulk-load some high sensitivity canisters and take a few snapshots.

OK - you are invited :

......

 

[Old-N-Feeble]

Ok - not a real bad rifle. The wwII weapons I personaly own (just in case of interest) are mostly from britisch infantry support groups.I bought some of that stuff (like many others) at extreme cheap pricing years ago (during late 70th).But last month I ordered additional stuff via an special auction. Including the legendary LEE ENFIELD No.4 MK I rifle. AND (you will not belive) 2 Vikers MK I machine gun in absolute top condition.
Also an ORDONANCE ML 4.2in MkI MORTAR was included - the price I can't tell (10 - 15 / up to 20 times more as well known from the 70th)
I have made a picture but seams to be little off topic to post this here.But at last "exzellent conditioned" and more than rare today......
with regards

If you're in the USA, don't you need a Federal Tax Stamp to have a full-auto delivered to you?

 

[Cholentpot]

OK - you are invited :

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Grenade guy is throwing like a cricket player...

 

[kb3lms]

...resources Kodak has lost. It is staggering to consider how they once had over 100,000 people, ALL working on film, to what they are today: 6,000 people, with the vast majority NOT working on film.

Vast numbers of those 100,000 had nothing whatsoever to do with working on film. When I left EK in 1993, there were 127,000 employees worldwide - give or take a few. About 40,000 worked in the "Apparatus Division", nobody worked on film there - unless you count some processing equipment. Printers, copiers, scanners, computer systems for imaging. There was a vast sales force, logistics, service and manufacturing. Not to mention thousands in internal infrastructure like IT, HR, Accountants, Management, Marketing and on and on. A small number of that 127,000 actually worked on creating new films. As a software engineer I personally used exactly one box of 100 sheets of Kodak IR Laser Printer film in 11 years.

A question that I was always interested in is: "how many people still would work at Kodak if they still actually worked at Kodak and were not outsourced and now employed by somebody else, but actually doing the same job?"

Rochester Silver Works for example (I think that's their name) now produces all the silver nitrate. But it's a separate company and those people aren't counted in the 6000 that now work at Kodak.

Imagine doing your job with 97% less resources.

I feel like that every day!

 

[Theo Sulphate]

Today is the anniversary of D-Day ... for those that remember what that was.

So... where were we? Oh, yes: Ektachrome. Any news?

 

[trendland]

Today is the anniversary of D-Day ... for those that remember what that was.

So... where were we? Oh, yes: Ektachrome. Any news?

Yes you got it Theo : V-Day will come when Ektachrome is avaible...

with regards

 

[Photo Engineer]

For those interested, if I wish to direct something to or at someone, I use a name or send a PM! For some, who are sensitive to certain subjects, they have a reaction to a post that "seems" to be pointed in their direction.

I have heard this type of thing over and over on toxicity. ALL chemicals are toxic. Obey your local regulations on this. However, the local authorities know as much chemistry as the average APUG member here, perhaps less. So, the advice they give on regulations are spot on, but their advice on actual toxicity as pertains to those regulations may be far off. So, you must obey the law, whether right or wrong. Obey the authorities, right or wrong.

And, if the shoe fits, wear it!

PE

 

[Sirius Glass]

Way to go, Ron!! What a great post and straight to the point. It's amazing how fear, uncertainty and doubt can mislead people.

So glad we have here an actual PE like you.

+1*1023

 

[pdeeh]

Talking of Kodak (which I wasn't) I'll shoehorn this in here and ask PE if he knows anything about it ...

linky: Eastman-Kodak 'Abstractions' (1967)

 

[removed account4]

For those interested, if I wish to direct something to or at someone, I use a name or send a PM! For some, who are sensitive to certain subjects, they have a reaction to a post that "seems" to be pointed in their direction.

if you have a problem with the MSDS you should take it up with the people who make the MSDS, and ask them if the shoe fits.

 

[cmacd123]

if you have a problem with the MSDS you should take it up with the people who make the MSDS, and ask them if the shoe fits.

Most MSDS just say "comply with all federal and local regulations" (which is fine as far as it goes and they should not be giving legal advice anyway) but OTOH that does not give much input as to deciding if whatever you have needs general disposal, the folks in the Haz-Mat Suits or something more.

 

[removed account4]

Most MSDS just say "comply with all federal and local regulations" (which is fine as far as it goes and they should not be giving legal advice anyway) but OTOH that does not give much input as to deciding if whatever you have needs general disposal, the folks in the Haz-Mat Suits or something more.

which is exactly what i have said ... i have also said the chems are not non-toxic, and rather nasty. and all of these things are valid statements.

 

[cmacd123]

there are three issues which Merge:

1) is product X poisonous or otherwise a hazard to me, my dogs and the rest of the family, if so how much caution and protection do I need to provide.

2) is product X poisonous or otherwise a hazard to the natural world, and can it be made less so before disposing of iit, by means such as mixing it with something else, or arranging for special methods of disposal.

3) AND OF COURSE: how can I dispose of the stuff when I am finished with it without having someone fine me for destroying the world, No mater what the ACTUAL answer to issue 2 was .

In most cases the only common B&W chemicals that have a Issue 2 problem are things like Used fixer. (with metals) even developers which will cause you to break out in a rash will likly oxidise by the time they get processed with all the excrement in a sewage plant.

you decisions about what to do have to fit all three issues. I suspect that for home users in Many jurisdictions, Ron the PE is very close to the truth. for commercial users the third issue may have them paying to have stuff less dangerous that what comes out of the family washing machine, hauled away in special drums to be incinerated at high temperatures in a special disposal facility