not so sure about that..
do the people who work at kodak or other people with professional motives dump their chemistry down the drain ?
don't think so they probably had disposal protocols, although kodak was one of the biggest polluters in the USA for years, so maybe ?
mini labs get fined and arrested if they do that ... but whatever .. i guess some people don't follow laws when it suits
them not to follow them because they think they are dumb ..
oh well, takes all types to make the world go round i suppose. im happy i don't eat food out of your garden or play in your lawn..
one person used to post online here that selenium toner was non toxic as well.
glad i never ate at her house either !
btw
Materials Safety DataSheets from freestyle for their E6 kits
https://www.freestylephoto.biz/static/pdf/msds/arista/AristaE6.pdf
for every chemical included says this:
13. DISPOSAL CONSIDERATIONS13.1 Waste treatment methods
Product
Preferred options for disposal are to send to licensed reclaimers, or to permitted incinerators. Any disposal practice must be in compliance with federal, state, and local regulations.
ive suggested nothing different than what freestyle and probably other chem makers who make E6
say to do ...
+1. Slides are wonderful to project, or just hold up to the sky. There's nothing else like it.
And all that beauty goes to waste unless you print them...
I'm glad there are so many expert chemists here that can tell me how toxic a given chemical is. One such expert has claimed that EDTA is very toxic, but it is injected as a counter to heavy metal poisoning. It and the metal are safely eliminated from the body. Also, Hypo is used as an antidote for Cyanide poisoning. And yet, dumping it down the drain is forbidden? Well, hair dye is really akin to a Kodachrome developer. There is a CD4 analog and a Magenta coupler analog in there to dye hair for a red-brown look. Drain cleaners are strong chemicals. Some are pure Sulfuric Acid and some are strong alkali or contain Phosphates.
Dumping down a drain is at the "whim" of the locale in which you live. My usage at its peak was so small, I doubt that anyone could even detect any effluent, but the rules here are not really that strong. The Kodak effluent was another matter. The effluent contained significant Silver ion and Cadmium ion, with the latter being far worse than the former. Kodak eliminated most all of that in the late '60s.
PE
Goes to waste? Not at all. I receive no joy holding up a negative to the light, but colorful slides, yes. Printing is good, sure, but certainly not a requirement. I make bookmarks from 6x7 slides and give them as gifts. Those that receive them have no means of scanning or printing them, and yet they love them as they are, one-off works of art that can be held to the light like little stained glass windows.
Are you kidding? I would love a retro film! Thats the whole point of me going back to film in the first place!It used to be known for superb greens, green separation and even cleaner shadows than Provia100f. This is what I am looking for, you're right in that a retro film will be of very little interest outside of the lomo crowd. I really hope they don't go down that path.
I'm glad there are so many expert chemists here that can tell me how toxic a given chemical is. One such expert has claimed that EDTA is very toxic, but it is injected as a counter to heavy metal poisoning. It and the metal are safely eliminated from the body. Also, Hypo is used as an antidote for Cyanide poisoning. And yet, dumping it down the drain is forbidden? Well, hair dye is really akin to a Kodachrome developer. There is a CD4 analog and a Magenta coupler analog in there to dye hair for a red-brown look. Drain cleaners are strong chemicals. Some are pure Sulfuric Acid and some are strong alkali or contain Phosphates.
Dumping down a drain is at the "whim" of the locale in which you live. My usage at its peak was so small, I doubt that anyone could even detect any effluent, but the rules here are not really that strong. The Kodak effluent was another matter. The effluent contained significant Silver ion and Cadmium ion, with the latter being far worse than the former. Kodak eliminated most all of that in the late '60s.
PE
How many rolls of E6 do you shoot a year?Are you kidding? I would love a retro film! Thats the whole point of me going back to film in the first place!
its what freestyle says on the MSDSI'm glad there are so many expert chemists here that can tell me how toxic a given chemical is.
it doesn't take a degree to contact local authorities and ask if it is OK to dump chemistry down the drain.Yes, non-degreed and non-chemically educated self appointed chemical so called experts are a point in the orifice.
Yeah, what he said!I'm glad there are so many expert chemists here that can tell me how toxic a given chemical is. One such expert has claimed that EDTA is very toxic, but it is injected as a counter to heavy metal poisoning. It and the metal are safely eliminated from the body. Also, Hypo is used as an antidote for Cyanide poisoning. And yet, dumping it down the drain is forbidden? Well, hair dye is really akin to a Kodachrome developer. There is a CD4 analog and a Magenta coupler analog in there to dye hair for a red-brown look. Drain cleaners are strong chemicals. Some are pure Sulfuric Acid and some are strong alkali or contain Phosphates.
Dumping down a drain is at the "whim" of the locale in which you live. My usage at its peak was so small, I doubt that anyone could even detect any effluent, but the rules here are not really that strong. The Kodak effluent was another matter. The effluent contained significant Silver ion and Cadmium ion, with the latter being far worse than the former. Kodak eliminated most all of that in the late '60s.
PE
the issue I was told by the lab that stopped offering mounting was that they could no longer Buy the specific plastic mounts that the machine they had was designed to use. another brand would not work with the machine.Concerning the mounts, there still are different manufacturers of mounts for hand mouting, but the current problem seems the lack of a manufacturer for mounting machines, maybe the respective mounts too.
If it becomes uneconomical for a lab, small or industrial, to keep their machine going, they will stop offering mounting.
i never said or suggested i was a
chemist
One such expert has claimed that EDTA is very toxic, but it is injected as a counter to heavy metal poisoning. It and the metal are safely eliminated from the body. Also, Hypo is used as an antidote for Cyanide poisoning. And yet, dumping it down the drain is forbidden?
But I haven't conducted studies on the effects of waste plastic in the environment, neither do I make the regulations for disposing waste plastic.
John, I am certain PE's comment was not addressed to you.
Square format images, does this mean we might see Ektachrome in 120?
May I introduce you to medium format stereo slides in a backlit viewer? I doubt very much you would think they're a wasteAnd all that beauty goes to waste unless you print them...
Thanks, Poisson. Perhaps I was not very clear with my comments. I am aware of the garbage patch in the North Pacific gyre. I live on the Canadian prairies and although I am sure that some small fraction of plastic does make it to the ocean (shopping bags blowing in the wind, for example), most of it ends up in a landfill just outside of the city. Even if the plastics remain in the landfill, they are still environmental pollutants (offgassing, leaching, not to mention the physical footprint of the bulk of the landfill.) I don't know the fate of the particular offgassed chemicals in the atmosphere, or whether some plastics additives can leach into the surrounding environment, and what effects these might have on soil microfauna, for example. I know that the clay liner is highly impermeable, but I don't know how the runoff water is treated. I doubt that fully comprehensive studies have been done.Studies? Your work is cut out for you. Go have a look at the effects of rampant plastic the Great Pacific Garbage Patch...
And all that beauty goes to waste unless you print them...
If it is so difficult for Kodak to bring back Ektachrome, one can only wonder how long it will take Ferrania to revive their slide film. Or, if we assume that Ektachrome delay is due to Kodak perfecting it, will Ferrania be able to make a quality E6 product at all? And by quality I mean something wall projectable with lifelike colours, good saturation and contrast, not just another Lomo-style film to be posted on Instagram.Sure they've missed their targets...but I can't even imagine how difficult it is to resurrect this film. Unless we get to mid-2019 and there's still no new Ektachrome, I'll be happily waiting and trusting Kodak is working hard to get this stuff released...and not only get it released, but get it released as an excellent product that will push people's desire to shoot slide film to new heights.
Never heard of such.To further complicate things, in many cases, when you dispose of "toxic" chemicals through the "hazardous waste collection day" or similar program, the authorities simply note what is written on the bottle, and then dump it down the drain with enough water such that its concentration does not exceed regulations.
Yes, we do have "hazardous waste days" where you drive to a depot and the folks with protective gear take the stuff out of the trunk of your car --- after you prove you live in the municipality that is holding the event. Since you are in Europe, I assume you can just take it back to the store or designated depot almost any time.Never heard of such.
(I should have quoted iandvaag regarding disposal but don’t know how to fix that...)Yes, we do have "hazardous waste days" where you drive to a depot and the folks with protective gear take the stuff out of the trunk of your car --- after you prove you live in the municipality that is holding the event. Since you are in Europe, I assume you can just take it back to the store or designated depot almost any time.
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