I dump the 3 liters a year of E6 I use down the sewer. Commercial operations will be pulling out the silver.
The lady at the photo store sadly shook her head when I asked about the the new Ektachrome.
Whenever I drive past the Kodak plant on Lake Avenue, I'm struck by the vast emptiness of the parking lots, studded with weeds. Half of the original buildings are gone. I get the impression that the film division is staffed by a skeleton crew of old timers who are just hanging on, waiting for the inevitable. I really hope they are able to pull off the Ektachrome trick, but wouldn't expect any new technical ground to be broken. Even so, processing will be a huge problem. There's exactly ONE lab here in the former "Imaging Centre" that still does E6 and the last roll I sent in took a week to get done. Photo processing mailers were acceptable back in analog times, but waiting more than a day or two to see your pictures might be intolerable for the digital generation. If Kodak can provide processing with quick downloads of high-quality scans, the slow return of the actual film might be OK.
In the age of Instagram no one wants a perfect product, neither consumers nor manufacturers. Everyone just wants the product to hit the market ASAP. Bugs will be fixed in further generations.In this day and age, where companies routinely release inferior/incomplete products to consumers...am I the only one happy that Kodak is really trying to bring out the best possible product right from the get go?
There's a whole new wave of film photographers that have probably never even shot slide film before. I imagine Kodak is wanting to make sure their first experience hooks them to continue shooting slide. There's also the generations that have shot slide, but perhaps haven't done so in a decade or more. Does Kodak want to release an inferior product to them? Hell no. These types of consumers need the best possible experience from that first roll.
I'm slightly optimistic that the 'inevitable' is going to be a good thing. There seems to be a will to keep the Kodak film business going and if the rest of the business tanks, someone will step in to spin off the film division
Whenever I drive past the Kodak plant on Lake Avenue, I'm struck by the vast emptiness of the parking lots, studded with weeds. Half of the original buildings are gone. I get the impression that the film division is staffed by a skeleton crew of old timers who are just hanging on, waiting for the inevitable.
Worse than hair-dye? Heck I put Drain-o down my drain, can't be worse than that.
I dump the 3 liters a year of E6 I use down the sewer. Commercial operations will be pulling out the silver.
I have a feeling Slide film needs that slight notch to be hyped up. The impression I got of what people think about it, as stills users, is that it's difficult to shoot yadda yadda metering. Think about the now ubiquitous high key airy color negative look and compare the lack of hype towards slide. Even heard "slide film is not meant to be scanned" (in a postprocessing manner). OTOH the way negative film can be bombarded with light and still look great is fantastic.Gotta reach them kids. Kids don't want to go to corporate websites where the man hangs out. Kids want it in their feeds and timelines where it comes to them. It's like, what's this sliding film stuff?
Well, that's quite widespread over the corporate world...No, emphatically no, from a chemical standpoint. From a management standpoint.... Sometimes...
PE
If that were an option, it would already be done by now. Kodak shopped around the film division and no buyers were found. Remember, film is no longer a core part of their business. Kodak could not be more transparent that they wanted out.
I get the impression things will be more desperate by the time the Hollywood contract is up for renewal (if not before). Ie buy the film division or you won't be making movies on film anymore.
It'll be a sink or swim moment for Kodak film and I'm slightly optimistic a deal will be done
i don't know, maybe? maybe not? im not a chemist i just know that in some areas it is not LEGAL to dump things like that down your drain and it is not non-toxic...
and while the things you mention are certainly toxic, it is LEGAL to use as dircted and dispose of down the drain. to me at least there is a difference ...
i know of amateur photographers who were processing color and e6 in their kitchen and pouring down the kitchen sink at night before mom was making breakfast on
the same counter and putting dishes and flatware in the same sink. totally weird, doesn't seem safe to me and seems sort of irresponsible, but what do i know ...
and it seems people without darkrooms might follow the same route, kitchen counter/sink .. sounds like bad news to me..
im guessing you might be a bit off, commercial operators will be having all the chemistry HAULED AWAY
or following some sort of protocol to dispose of it in accordance with the local laws and have the paperwork
that shows they did exactly that ... maybe that's dumping it down the drain near you after silver recovery through
an xrite &c system is proper protocol not sure im not from where you live so i can't really comment..
but near where i live they would be in deep doodoo if local labs did as you described ...
I have a feeling Slide film needs that slight notch to be hyped up. The impression I got of what people think about it, as stills users, is that it's difficult to shoot yadda yadda metering. Think about the now ubiquitous high key airy color negative look and compare the lack of hype towards slide. Even heard "slide film is not meant to be scanned" (in a postprocessing manner). OTOH the way negative film can be bombarded with light and still look great is fantastic.
In S8 and 16mm it could be quite different, no need for inversion and telecine.
Hey didn't everyone want Kodachrome? There you go, a retro EktachromeOn a more serious note, I hope the final material is comparable or better than E100G and the samples aren't in the best conditions to show the best of the stock.
Well, that's quite widespread over the corporate world...
Yeah : the "self-mounting"I get the impression from all of this is that no one really needs for me to buy a 36exp, 135 Ektachrome that I don't even know if I can get decent processing with mounting from Kodak or any one else. It may be a looooog time before I can start shooting slides/dias/transpariences again and I don't have a loooog time to wait. Back to B&W............Regards!
Well - if the last service will tell you : "No way to mount your slides any more ! " there will be still a chance to mount your slides by yourself with much less costs.I get the impression from all of this is that no one really needs for me to buy a 36exp, 135 Ektachrome that I don't even know if I can get decent processing with mounting from Kodak or any one else. It may be a looooog time before I can start shooting slides/dias/transpariences again and I don't have a loooog time to wait. Back to B&W............Regards!
Even heard "slide film is not meant to be scanned"
If it's illegal but safe who cares? I don't follow the law because it's the law, I follow the law because I'd get in trouble if I don't. If the law is stupid and I can't get caught there's no way I'm going to follow it.
If it's legal to pour hair dye down the kitchen sink but illegal to pour stop bath down the sink I think I know what I'm going to be doing.
I dont know how Kodak can attract any fresh blood in their industry. What chemist fresh out of college would want to attach themselves to a a clearly struggling company?
PE e6 chemistry is not NON TOXIC
it is more TOXIC than some BW chemistry,
you can't dump it down your drain
and for the average consumer it is not run of the mill "stuff" is it ?
yes i know i know there are things like drain cleaners and stuffs people
use as household cleaners that are not good &c but im not talking about them
and i am guessing if you use TIDYBOWL as directed it isn't as bad as dumping
E6 Chems down your drain.. which is probably regulated ...
That isn't much correct : If you handle E6 chems in a good way it is relative untoxic. But the real danger is comming from unproffesional "careless" combined with highest dosis. So PE might had some protection in use to avoid higher dosis.PE e6 chemistry is not NON TOXIC
it is more TOXIC than some BW chemistry,
you can't dump it down your drain
and for the average consumer it is not run of the mill "stuff" is it ?
yes i know i know there are things like drain cleaners and stuffs people
use as household cleaners that are not good &c but im not talking about them
and i am guessing if you use TIDYBOWL as directed it isn't as bad as dumping
E6 Chems down your drain.. which is probably regulated ...
Same procedure in your labs ?No, emphatically no, from a chemical standpoint. From a management standpoint.... Sometimes...r
PE
By the way, here they are : " GEPE MOUNTS " as mentinoned.
That isn't much correct : If you handle E6 chems in a good way it is relative untoxic. But the real danger is comming from unproffesional "careless" combined with highest dosis. So PE might had some protection in use to avoid higher dosis.
(dosis in concern of 8,5h/5 days a week/some decades)
with regards
I wish there were some reasonably priced E6 film around, and a better selection too. I always thought very highly of slide film, carefully exposed, using a tripod, the equally carefully processed made the most glorious colour photographs. I have succumbed to making digital projected images and they are just not the same. Quality is down sharpness is down (Genuine sharpness not induced by Photoshop) and the saturation of most was completely natural. Not like some of the ones produced which are over cooked and not worth the effort. It really is too easy.
All you needed to project slides was a half decent projector, a screen and a stand to place the projector on.
Then to project, first play about with them on a computer, digitally remove things or add them in lighten/darken/adjust contrast, them bring out the laptop and digital projector costing a small fortune and a bulb which is equally astronomically priced. All to project an image that was/is, 'not quite as good as a slide'. In my view not progress at all, just an acceptance of the inferior.
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